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Replaced hybrid battery - No power, won't start

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by bzbee, Jul 20, 2024 at 10:11 PM.

  1. bzbee

    bzbee Junior Member

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    2007 Prius with 160K miles. Last month it threw the red triangle of death with code "P0A80 Replace Hybrid Battery Pack". Techstream showed that Battery Block 11 had very low voltage (13.6v) compared to others (15v+). Car was running fine till then, but getting poor mpg (about 36-38). I stopped driving it immediately after the red triangle came up.

    Pulled the hybrid battery, tested each cell and sure enough one cell was dead (6.51v). I tested all other cells with a hobby charger. Most tested at about 7.8v and 4500mAH or higher capacity after 3-5 discharge-charge cycles. Only two cells were below 4000 mAh. I planned to buy three reconditioned cells and replace the dead & failing cells.

    While looking for reconditioned cells on Facebook, I came across someone selling a whole battery pack from a wrecked 2013 Prius for $200. Took a chance and bought the battery, and it turned out to be in great shape. All cells tested 8.0v or higher, and I randomly tested a few cells with 3 discharge-charge cycles and they all showed 5500-6000 mAh capacity. So I took that cell pack and put in in my 2007 battery and installed it in the car today.

    Was all excited, but when I pressed the power button nothing happened - no dash lights, no engine start, nothing. But the interior lights work, car locks and unlocks properly with the key fob.

    - I checked the orange service plug half-a-dozen times, and it is installed properly.
    - I removed the three connectors to the battery and reconnected them ensuring they are seated properly.
    - I checked that the small connector under the service plug is properly seated.
    - I disconnected the 12V battery (reads 13.2V with a multi-meter), waited a minute and re-connected it.

    No luck, car remains dead.

    What am I missing? What could've gone wrong? Is there a fuse or relay that could cause this?
    I want to test the voltage at the battery main connectors with the service plug installed, is that safe?

    Any suggestions on how to debug would be welcome. I am trying to avoid having to dis-assemble the whole battery again, but will do it if all else fails.

    Thanks.
     
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    I went through something very similar back when I worked on my first pack in 2018... In my case it was the positive voltage cable dropping down behind the voltage sensing harness and me not seeing it, so the circuit was never complete.

    But in general, there's over a hundred different connections that have to happen when putting a pack back together and its easy to overlook something.

    One thing you can try is very carefully measuring the voltage on the pack side of the relays with Orange safety plug in. That will let you know if the problem is on the battery pack side or on the car side...

    Another thing you can try is load testing each module for two minutes with a halogen headlight bulb (12V / 55W) and document how much voltage is lost. A healthy module will only lose .2 to .4 volts at the 2 minute mark. As in sometimes a bad cell will give a normal voltage reading, but soon as you put a load on it, the cell fails.
     
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    when I pressed the power button nothing happened - no dash lights, no engine start, nothing. But the interior lights work, car locks and unlocks properly with the key fob.

    Sounds like the 12v is good. The Gen 2 usually dies with similar symptoms when the AM2 fuse blows in the underhood fuse box. If this happened, it's normally due to the inverter cooling water pump failing.

    Any chance you reversed your 12v battery polarities during your repairs?
     
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    I do not see a reason to look at the HV pack at all (yet). Whatever problem you have it's on the low voltage side. Do ANY lights on the dash work at all? Door ajar? Red security (key)?

    I would scan the car with Techstream and see what responds. I would check all fuses underhood and underdash. The basic symptom matches a blown AM2 fuse or possibly a failed capacitor in the Combination Meter.

    I might not expect a fault with the battery ecu to affect the Power Source Control ecu, but... You can check basic integrity of the CAN network by disconnecting the 12V battery. Then use a digital multimeter to check resistance across the OBD port pins 6 & 14. (Be careful to not distort the terminals). You should read about 60 ohms.

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  5. bzbee

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    With the battery in the car and with the Orange Safety plug in, I measured the voltage at the two main (frame) connectors - it is ZERO. I read in another thread, that the voltage at the main connectors only shows when the car is in READY and the relays are closed.

    Removed all the brackets and pulled the bracket out again (what a chore!), and tested each cell. All tested between 7.5v and 8.0v. Then with the orange plug in, I tested voltage across the pack - 219.6v. So, I think the battery is good, might be the fuse as the @TMR-JWAP suggested.

    I will check the fuse.

    And yes, I was getting the P1121 code intermittently for the past year, was planning to replace the coolant valve but never got around to it. Will do it once I get the car started.

    Battery polarities - both 12V and the Hybrid are correct. Rechecked this morning.

    Yes, the door ajar light and the key light show up. It is not the combination meter failure, I am sure of that.

    I will check the fuses and test the CAN network as suggested. Will report back in the afternoon with my findings.

    Thanks for all the advice.
     
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    I've never seen a relay go bad and have always doubted people who had that suspicion, but maybe that's worth checking?
     
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    This post talks about a "sticky" relay when car has been sitting unused for long. I am going to check that.

    Its been raining off an on and I couldn't work on the car this morning, but a quick check showed that the AM2 fuse is fine. Battery voltage is also good and showing 219.6V across the pack.