2011 engine rattles HARD on startup after sitting a couple of days

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    My 2011 Prius has a very hard engine shake / rattle for seconds upon startup after it has sat unused for just a couple of days. When driven daily it starts smoothly and normally. It does seem to "chunk" harder than it used to when going from battery power to starting the engine to recharge (when sitting in Park). The car has about 140K miles. I did the EGR service several years ago, and I also recently did the brake booster / accumulator replacement very recently after that problem popped up. The car does burn some oil, but outside of that and this really aggressive shake / rattle on startup it is running great. Just worried that this is indicative of the next significant problem. Anyone have any idea what might be causing this or whether it is a concern? Alternatively, anyone have any soothing words of solace suggesting it's not a problem at all? Appreciate any insight.
     
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    Likely it is a problem. This is the major symptom of your head gasket leaking coolant into the cylinder ...a known problem on the 2010 through at least the 2014 Prius. it causes this rattle until the coolant is expelled from the cylinder a few moments later. It will likely get worse over time until you must replace the head gasket.
     
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    Probably the head gasket.

    You did "EGR service several years ago": this was DIY? Did the intake manifold with it's EGR passages get cleaned as well? Can you recall the miles on the odometer?

    To check head gasket, on the day after car's been driven, pressurize the engine coolant system (remove reservoir cap and install stopper of some sort and apply sustained air pressure), remove wipers/cowl and spark plugs*, and run borescope into combustion chambers, looking for exceptionally clean piston top(s), coolant weeping from head gasket seam.

    diy coolant pressurizing gizmo:

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    * See video #13 here: Nutz About Bolts Prius Maintenance Videos | PriusChat
     
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    Sorry for the bad news but yeah, that's a primary symptom of head gasket failure.

    The best test to confirm this is to remove the sparkplugs and use a video borescope to inspect the inside of the cylinders while the cooling system is pressurized with a test pump.

    Good luck!
     
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    This is suuuuuper bad news. Thanks to all for pointing this out, but man, what a bummer. I did the EGR cleanout myself at 117K and did the manifold as well, but didn't put in an oil catch can. I did the brake booster / actuator (DIY) about 1 month / 2000 miles ago (just did a road trip) at 146K, and the car has ~148.5K miles right now.

    I just watched the first video on the head gasket and that job appears to be at a completely different level from the other two. Not sure I have the skills to pull that one off.

    So if I do a head gasket, does the car last me another 100K problem free miles or what's the next big problem awaiting me? I feel like I've put quite a bit of time and money into this thing already as parts on that brake job were not cheap.

    Thanks again to all for the quick diagnosis of the most likely scenario.
     
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    Just got through reading this thread:


    Seems like the head gasket replacement is really expensive. Engine replacement w/ used Gen IV is a legitimate option (still very expensive), and my next major problem is probably the battery going out. Seems like it's going to cost a lot to keep this one running.
     
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    The next big problem will be replacing th hv battery. Nimh battery typically good for 10 years so I’ll
    Let you do the math for 2011. And then brake booster replacemen if the brake fluid had never been changed.

    Because saving gas cost a lot of money.
     
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    The real economic benefits of hybrid ownership go to those who buy new and unload it before its 15th birthday.

    If the car is already burning oil, I'd go for the engine replacement... but honestly I think replacing the whole car is an even better move.

    Sorry & good luck!
     
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    Just curious, which video?
     
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    This is the first of three videos by Nutz about Bolts detailing a head gasket replacement:
     
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    So does anyone have an idea on what the deterioration time frame is on that head gasket? Like I said, it's only happening occasionally when I let it sit for a few days (assuming that's how long it takes for significant coolant to build up in the cylinders). Do I have a month? A year? Is there a way to slow down the process by avoiding some specific behavior (like letting the car sit)? And then is there a market for a Prius with a bad head gasket?

    If I replace the engine does that resolve the EGR cooler issue as well?
     
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    Do you mean will a head gasket replacement prevent the EGR cooler from clogging up with carbon? ;)

    My hunch: it’s the carbon-clogged EGR system that’s causing the head gasket failures.

    your head gasket has developed a path, or paths, allowing coolant to make it into the combustion chambers. Likely started at the wall between cylinders one and two, on the exhaust side. Leaving it thus is starting the cascade of subsequent failures.
     
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    Sorry - wasn't clear enough. I meant "Will a replacement gen 4 engine quit blowing so much oil into the EGR cooler that it ceases to become clogged and need to be removed and cleaned every 50K miles, thus eliminating many problems of the gen 3 car?"

    After looking at the prices of newer priuses on Craigslist a gen 4 motor replacement is looking more appealing.