2000 miles from home with rough startup knock

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  1. Wyomingirl

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    Hello Forum, this is my first post. I have a 2014V that I love for many reasons. I bought it from it's first owner (in AZ) with 66k on it, and in the last 6 years I've driven it up to 190,000 miles. It has been flawless. I've done oil changes, replaced the spark plugs and brake pads at 100,000 miles, and finally it needed a new 12V battery last year, but no other work. I live in WY, but drive long highway miles (to the east and west coasts at least every year). I am pretty car saavy, but I'm living in a summer apartment in Ithaca, NY, so nowhere near my tools or ramps in Wyoming.

    I just had the 190,000 oil change done (at a shop since I'm not at home--and they overfilled it, a little), and about 1 week later, it made the most terrible knocking for about 3-5 seconds right as the ICE kicked on. Then I heard nothing for about a week, and then it did this knocking a second time and the CEL came on. I took it to a shop. The code was for a 1st cylinder misfire, they changed the coil, and sent me on my way. I picked up my car afterhours, and the CEL was still on, and while it didn't misfire the 1st time I started it, the knocking happened on the ICE startup the subsequent time. I didn't like that shop --They also cracked my windshield (likely when they took the wiper assembly out), and the guy was slimy.

    By this time, I had found another local shop that has a better reputation. They did a pressure test, and found no loss. But the code was still for misfiring. They replaced all the coils and spark plugs (after 190k I don't begrudge fresh plugs). But this hasn't solved anything. They did a boroscope of the cylinders and don't see any sign of coolant leaking into. They did a 3 day higher pressure test and still didn't find any drop in pressure.

    They are starting to think there's a small crack in the head that opens up when cold and lets in a little coolant.
    I still wonder about the EGR being clogged up. Or a small crack in the Heat Exchanger on the exhaust pipe--how could they test for this?

    They are at a loss and waiting for me to 1)bring an engine to them to swap or 2) next test or thing to try.

    What should I have them test/do next? Any tips?

    I'm borrowing a car while mine is in the shop, and biking most places (sheesh--the hills around here), but I need to drive 2,000 miles back to WY in 6 weeks, and I want a car that will get me there.

    I plan to keep this car a few more years, until I can afford the next used Toyota hybrid that has this shape and space (Maybe CorollaCross? or Rav4).

    The cost of a HG job is more than to get a JDM and put it in, so that's why I was looking at an engine swap vs HG job. I'd love to keep my repairs under $7,000 but I'm already out $1,800 in coils and plugs and testing that has done nothing.
     
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    Sorry to hear your in for $1800 worth of parts cannon with no results except a broken windshield. Unfortunately too many shops get fooled by a gen3 Prius.

    Pretty close but it's more likely the head gasket leaking while shutdown but with coolant pressure. Sometimes warped heads happen due to overheating but I doubt your there yet.

    The heat recirculation system is not causing a start up rattle. It's not a stuck open egr either; egrs will cause a stumble or stall at worse.

    I suspect the borescope test was not done properly under coolant pressure. The quality of the borescope is important as well.

    The following video was done by one of the best mechanics around and he is 75 minutes away from you.

    This was done on a Honda with a bigger leak but you will get the idea
    South Main Auto
    Excellent Borescope Footage at 6:50



    Assuming you have a leaking head gasket, you could limp along by relieving the coolant pressure by slightly loosening the passenger side reservoir cap.

    Assuming it is a head gasket (I would give it 95% likelihood) the question is how to proceed. A JDM would be the lowest cost solution but it would have to be shipped in from a bigger city and you would have to trust a local shop to change it. A head gasket job with a rebuilt head might be a good option if the engine does not burn oil and you do it fairly quick.

    I would consider taking it to South Main Auto if you can get in and let him diagnose and repair.

    South Main Auto LLC, 47 S Main St, Avoca, NY. Eric O
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    IMHO; if it's in the early stages of HG failure; you may be able to limp it back home. You'll have to monitor your ECT to make sure you don't push it too hard on the way back. The BIG assumption is that the mechanic tested the car correctly and the leak closes up when the aluminum heats up.
    I'm not a big fan of JDM motors because your putting in another motor with a know defect. If the car is in good shape and your planning on keeping her - I'd probably look into a rebuilt motor with all the updates that negate the gen3 motors' deficiencies. In other words, JDM motors are a "crap-shoot", no telling how long they may or may not last.
    Whatever repairs you decide to do; you may want to preemptively replace that electronic ICE water pump. They tend to get lazy, especially if you don't change your coolant per OEM recommendations. Coolant goes acidic, quietly eating away at your engine internals - you've got a lot of plastic and electronics for the coolant to "chew on".

    Well; that's my rant for this thread - good luck....
     
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    Not all JDMs have the same issues as a 2010 through early 2014 Prius. Used in Japan gen3 JDMs can be as recent as a 2021 as the Prius v/+ was still sold there until then. However there is no US vin plate to id the year so it's possible any 2010-2021 JDM could be in the crate you receive.

    Since you have a 2014 v, there is a good chance you have the revised pistons and rings. Verify by vin.

    Prius gen3 2014 Vin Production Change.jpeg
    Take your vin and determine which plant (3 or J) it was built in and then determine if your last six digits are higher than that plant's production change sequence number.

    An early head gasket job with existing revised pistons and rings will include an improved head gasket from Toyota or Felpro. A rebuilt head cleans things up in the valve train. Have the shop update the ecu software to 34751200.

    End result is you have a head gasket job with the same updates as a good gen3 rebuild. Assuming you have a first class shop do it.

    You could spend $225 more and include the latest intake manifold as described in the attached tsb. An improvement you don't get with most rebuilt engines.
     

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    Eric will diagnose, but I don’t think he’ll take on head gaskets, hopefully can refer you to someone competent. In a recent video* he mentioned his go-to machine shop shut down.

    make sure EGR system and intake manifold is thoroughly cleaned.

    * he has YouTube channel South Main Auto
     
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    Sorry you had a poor outcome with the shop.
    My opinion is you are in early or not so early stage of HG failure.
    Now some will say NG to my suggestion but having experienced HG failure in my V and my sons CT200H As well as a few other motors over my 50+ years of driving and wrenching this often works to delay changing HG.
    The longer you delay HG repair obviously greater risk of Bending connecting rods, scoring cylinder walls.

    Take cap off the coolant overflow tank. Remove and save the Oring that pressure seals the cap.
    Unpressurized a lot less coolant leaks into the cylinders. To make the trip back top off coolant. Carry plenty of extra coolant.
    Use power mode so ICE and stays on as much as possible. During startup is when the coolant has to be expelled from the cylinders and caused the knocking.
    I actually drove from Salt Lake City to Maine in April with a HG leak on a 2015 V that I bought with 251K on it. (SLC = No rust!)
    Used blue tooth ODBII dongle and the Prius App on my phone to constantly monitor coolant temp. Going up mountains had to turn heat on high to keep from exceeding 210F.
    Added a Overflow to the coolant tank to capture coolant so I could just pour it back into expansion tank after car cooled down.
    I should make a Post/Thread how to that.

    I'm actually debating btw a JDM long block and a Brand new short block for my V as the cylinder walls show signs of abuse.

    How Toyota thinks its OK to not have a temp gauge is beyond me.
    LOL. Too many service requests for temp over 180-195 I guess.

    Side note:
    Saab 95 the gauge goes to middle and stays there whether temp is 180-220F . To avoid service requests I suppose.
    Different engineering idea!

    Pete
     
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    He still does head gaskets but he will tell you if it's worth it or not.

    When I suggested relieving the pressure to limp it along I did not mean so you could drive it 2000 miles. You will wreck the engine which has a fighting chance now if it has the revised pistons and rings.
     
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    Yeah see now he has done a few. Agree, a Signiant part of his work is answering the "should it be done".

    One recent video, he was lamenting the close of his go-to machine shop. The guy retired, nobody want to step in, it's a fully equiped shop, getting dusty.
     
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    I will be forever grateful for all of your responses to my questions and request for help, no matter the outcome of this engine. It feels really good to have other smart brains thinking about things on my behalf. Thank you! To have so many knowledgeable people out there, who are willing to share what they know is really amazing.
     
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    Sorry for my delay in getting back to you this weekend--I was on the Donna the Buffalo tour bus to get to and from Woodstock for a Levon Helm show. Talk about driving an old beast (the tour bus)--she's a 1998 Prevost, sleeps 12 humans, and carries the weight of the world! She's prone to overheating, so many a hill, we pull over to let cars pass, and let her cool. Thank God for the temperature gauges. I feel like I'm driving blind w/out out a gauge. I'd love to see how you connect yours via BlueTooth @2015V-BadHG!
     
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    Thanks again, to each of you!
     
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    Thanks @rjparker and @Mendel Leisk --I'm going to call Eric at South Main Auto first thing tomorrow and see if I can drive over ASAP. I have the option of leaving my car there for a month while I have other travel, so maybe that will be well for him, if he thinks it's fixable and can take it on. His shop is not so far--I feel pretty sure my car will make it ok. Since it's done the start-rattle, I've not driven in much at all because I want to preserve it, if possible, but it's actually running pretty smooth (after the first 5 seconds).

    "suspect the borescope test was not done properly under coolant pressure" This was also a concern of mine--like playing MasterMind or Clue, but somebody gives the wrong report, and then no line of logic can lead to the correct answer.

    Yes! My engine is ...EJ006078, so it's got the revised pistons and rings. This a good thing, right?

    I feel like a bad Prius Owner--How did I miss the 100k Coolant swap and 150k Inverter Coolant swap? I'm so religious about oil changes! I'll have both of these done with whatever Eric recommends for the Engine. Thank you @BiomedO1!

    Another few things to add to the total rebuilt list, as suggested by each of you--
    update the ecu software to 34751200
    include the latest intake manifold
    replace that electronic ICE water pump
    make sure EGR system and intake manifold is thoroughly cleaned.

    I'll call Eric and keep you all posted. This little car is in perfect shape (No rust, because...Wyoming living), and is still the perfect car for my needs.

    (Seems like I can't yet do the cool 'quote' reply option until I've been a member for longer--I appreciate all of you input, so much!)
     
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    Yes that is a plus especially if it has not been burning oil.
     
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    Looking forward to the SMA episode:

    “…It’s the Prius v, got the big 1.8, money-light’s on…”.
     
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    Never burned a drop of oil, and even at 190,000, the oil is incredibly clean, even as it nears it's oil change!
     
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    IMHO; this is the simplest and cheapest way to monitor actual ECT. At least this will give you an early indication to back-off or slow down; before you can potentially damage your engine.


    These Prius only has a simple dummy lamp that triggers at around 245F. Normal operating temps is around 190-210; so you could be running hot and damaging your head-gasket without knowing it.
    Note of caution; there has been some complaints of some of these unit causing a parasitic battery drain. Don't know if it's wired wrong or some cheap component within failed.

    Hope this helps...