Sea-level doom from Antarctic melting

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  1. Paul Gregory

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    No need to cut us off, we've sworn it off already.
     
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    “It was "global warming" but they had to change it to "climate change" because it started cooling 10 years ago.”

    @PriusTech invitation received and accepted! I and others post these around here from time to time to clear up misunderstandings. As the timescale mentioned was decades, we could look at data on that:

    https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#:~:text=HadCRUT%20is%20a%20global%20temperature%20dataset%2C%20providing%20gridded,the%20hemispheres%20and%20the%20globe%20as%20a%20whole.

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    https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/?intent=121


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    https://psl.noaa.gov/data/timeseries/month/BERKELEYGLBLT/


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    Is notable because Richard Muller founded the Berkeley Earth Project to look independently at temperature records. Hoping to uncover fudged data (or something along those lines) they instead found confirmation.


    Another US dataset is LMOST but I do not immediately find their current graphic. If any of you do, you will find it similar.


    https://www.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/gwp/temp/ann_wld.html


    Is a less-frequently mentioned analysis, so I enjoy including it:


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    “ … it started cooling 10 years ago.” Any of the brief reductions in recent decades could be called that “it”. I guess.


    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016JD024751

    Contains Figure 2 showing the 2000-year timescale relevant to great human advances:


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    All of these compilations/analyses disclose their data sources, workflows, and funding sources. Some readers will have noticed that alternative views (as shown in earlier posts) lack such transparency. But that has not lowered re-posters zeal.

    “It was "global warming" but they had to change it to "climate change"

    This shift in wording is most often attributed to (then Republican pollster) Frank Luntz circa 1998 writing to Republican leaders that they ought to use this softer term. He is the they. Interestingly he has also ‘reconsidered his position’ as did Richard Muller (above):

    https://thebulletin.org/2019/07/top-republican-message-maker-frank-luntz-calls-for-climate-action/
     
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    I voted for Obama his first term

    I'm not blind to the mistakes Trump makes, but I'm pretty sure Progressives don't even know that Obama presided over the biggest environmental crime and the biggest financial crime in the history of man.

    And no, appointed puppet presidents aren't living in my head rent free or otherwise, just here to red pill. But you already took the blue one so it's just here for the dear reader.

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    If there are readers here unsure about the whole climate-change thing, please see these simple things.

    Fossil fuel combustion now emits 10 petagrams carbon per year to atmosphere, that having increased rapidly in recent decades. Energy from that combustion is great for humans!

    About half of that persists as CO2 in atmosphere with sequestration of the rest about equally done by land and sea biology. Resulting atmospheric +[CO2] trend is famous by Keeling, and its future reporting will not be disappeared. Notwithstanding current brief political excursions.

    CO2 in atmosphere absorbs outgoing infrared and warms troposphere and surface. This heating has become consistent +T at global scales for most recent 5 decades. Some seem to continue pretending it is not happening, and I hope that pretense is not done without compensation.

    How next 5 decades will go is disputed. Even the most gloomy projections don’t lead us towards comprehensive energy, water and food-supply plans whilst +T and +[CO2] continue. No one does, it seems to me, and I am sad about that. As things stand, we will probably have about 2 decades of ‘surprises’ before governments make real efforts towards comprehensive responses.

    The worst of it for me is, being an old person, I will die before those comprehensive responses come. Most readers here and by demography most people will see more. I sincerely hope it goes well, and that you treat all current deceivers kindly.
     
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    A tonne is one million grams. Who had the bright idea to use petagrams instead?
     
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    The fact there are climate deniers, climate enlightened and climate activist, will amount to nothing, we are already past the tipping point, those in the really cold regions will think it's great, until the climate swings become so intense they can no longer buy food because the rain will either be none, or so much it washes the top soil and the crops away.

    When I look at my new grandson and granddaughter, what do I say when they are old enough to understand .... sorry isn't going to be enough, we'll be dead because we will be too feeble to tolerate the wild season changes, all the money made by those who profited from it, won't be able to buy any more yrs of living the high life, they certainly aren't setting up a great new world for their offspring ...... so what was/is the point of all of the fairytales about "global cooling" and "it's nothing to do with anything they did", they won't be remembers as the great business tycoons they think they are now, they will be remembered as the greedy generation that made life so difficult for future generations that their names will become curse words ......

    The thing that is going to be really hard for so many, "We didn't know" simply won't wash, I'd hate to be one of those labelled a "Climate Denyer" when the tipping point becomes undeniable and the realisation that it's simply too late to fix it .... as the "system" breaks down, the young ones left that have to face what will be a harsh reality, you can bet they won't view those that denied them a rosy future with any sort of compassion, more likely the target of frustration

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