Just need to vent...

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Mendel Leisk, Jul 6, 2022.

  1. Mendel Leisk

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    Having decided to put an extra outlet in our garage, I checked our locat hardware/lumber place for NON-Tamper-Resistant outlet: nary a one... Bought a 10 pack of them on Amazon, and used, one. I'm ready I guess... :unsure:
     
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    Winston Smith ... My points still stand. McCain's programs were never really presented to Congress. The gop miserable greedy criminal grifters ripped his ideas to shreds ... for one stupid reason or another.

    ACA was passed ... also after being ripped apart by the greedy rat-bastard gop.
     
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    Did you think you had asked if McCain's plan had been presented to Congress really?

    ACA was passed ... also after being ripped apart by the greedy rat-bastard gop.
    The plan offered by the republican nominee would certainly be offered by the gop in the same way the plan offered by the democrat nominee would be offered by the democrats.

    Do you understand that at the time of Chusid's piece BHO's plan also hadn't been presented to Congress? That the details of the democrat plan wouldn't be worked out for almost another two more years?

    Democrats and republicans in Congress opposed the ACA which was being amended to gather enough votes and passed with only democrat votes.

    How do you think republicans got democrats to do their bidding on this?
     
  4. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    ^ o_O
    Vent complete, I suppose.
    They cheated.
    They were smart for once! :ROFLMAO:

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    Thank goodness!
    For a minute there I thought I'd over-slept and woke up in some Orwellian hell-scape where they outlawed what freedom-loving nations call - "standard outlets." :D
     
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    You buy quality tamper proof receptacles and they work fine. They may keep your great grandchild from sticking a toy spoon in it.

    Same goes for arc fault breakers. A good one can save your house from a fire. A cheap one trips for no reason.
     
  6. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    A friend of mine builds houses for a living and one of the most difficult problems that he has is finding an electrician to do the wiring.
    Do you think THEY use quality tamper-proof receptacles? ;)

    Fortunately?
    I live in a used house.
    When grandchildren came into our lives I tried to convince my CFO that children sticking metal objects into outlets are a net benefit to humanity, but she gave me the CFO veto.
    So?
    We used these.
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    Cheap.
    Scalable.
    Removable, Reusable.

    My dad was a city electrical inspector and my mom was an insurance broker - so I'm somewhat familiar with the NEC and insurance companies - AND as a two time volunteer fire fighter and retired squid - fires.

    "Just get a good quality _____ and it will work....." is generally good advice but it's also one of the reasons why the US will soon lose our standing as one of the last places on earth where people of average means will be able to buy a home without getting a 50-year mortgage.
    It's not just the electrical outlets. ($1.5 more per outlet x 75-100 outlets) or the arc-flash breakers ($1500 delta) but all of the other non-optional safety features that are mandated for new construction.

    People in the US USED to be smart enough to buy covers for child accessible outlets, plastic cabinet latches, and baby gates when their progeny seemed to have lost the genetic lottery - or they themselves were too self-involved to monitor their kids properly.

    Heck.....I had to fiddle with my new truck for 15 minutes just to keep it from reminding me to check my back seat for forgotten children!! o_O


    -just ventin'. ;)
     
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    Those plastic caps also make a slight reduction in drafts/cold.
     
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    as far as I can tell, we all used to be grandchildren once Upon a time.
    Those of us old enough to remember - there used to be fuses rather than Breakers in the service panel:

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    When your (10yr) older brother tells you to unscrew them, & you attempt to do so, it becomes a lifelong lesson re people's veracity/motives as well as respect for electricity.
     
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    Those lessons aren't getting learned.
    Engineered stupidity.......

    Then again:
    I remember fuse boxes too!
    Darwin is a slow and very messy process....... :eek:
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    Don't get me started about child-proof bottle caps...
     
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    Child proof saves old people as well as they regress. I have seen it happen and its not pretty.
     
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    Dealing with childproof is what causes regression...

    I usually start with tin snips and a mini-hacksaw, but come to think of it...I think I may have another use for my Dremel.

    And speaking of fuses. What will we do if pennies go away...
     
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    I have a jug of plaster bonder with a safety cap I think I remember getting into that way.
     
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    You don't have Amazon in Canada? I'm reluctant to buy specific things on Amazon, as well. I like to BRING WITH ME the broken part or whatever I'm working on and get the right size and the right part, the FIRST TRIP!
     
  15. Mendel Leisk

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    Misread me? I bought outlets, on Amazon.ca. Leviton brand. :)

    Local-to-me lumber store is always my first option, but they had zip, every last outlet Tamper Resistant.
     
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    Oh I thought you said you had to buy 10 of them.....my bad for speed-reading!! ;-)
     
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    I've had to mount child-proof bottles in a vise, turn with channel lock plier while LEANING on the damn thing. Once off I extricate the actual cap from the diabolical over-cap.

    Christ, I'm started...
     
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    Why can’t they put a pull tab on the foil liners glued onto the top of the bottle?
    You could kill yourself trying to cut it off
     
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