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Expected mpg with bad hybrid battery

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by pkhoury, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. seilerts

    seilerts Battery Curmudgeon

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    Yes, running the A/C increases the current draw to several amps from the traction battery. Suppose you see a 5 amp draw and you are initially at 60% SoC with the car in Ready but stuck in a traffic jam. ICE will kick on at about 45% SoC. That's 15% SoC * 6.5 amp-hour of battery capacity, let's round that up to 1 amp-hour of available battery capacity before ICE-on. 1 amp-hour is 60 amp-minutes. Divide by 5 amps, leaves you 12 minutes.
     
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    seilerts Battery Curmudgeon

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    If you should happen to recondition the good modules, please post the resulting amp-hour capacity. The most worn battery I've looked at had 155,000 miles, but I was still able to get the modules up to 5.5-5.6 amp-hours capacity after three cycles. That's about 1% of actual capacity loss for every 10,000 miles. It would be nice to have more data points.
     
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    One of the disadvantages of the Prius' hybrid design compared to Honda's IMA mild hybrid implementation which can run even with a dead traction battery.
     
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    seilerts Battery Curmudgeon

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    This is a good thing since the IMA batteries tend to last only 50,000 - 100,000 miles. But don't forget that there is no alternator, so something has to be done to keep the 12V charged.
     
  5. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

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    IMA isn't a mild hybrid system.
     
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    I don't see any reason why the generator/converter can't charge the 12V even when the traction battery is dead.
    The generator/converter replaces the alternator in the IMA.
     
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    IMA has a backup 12V starter. HSD does not. Even if it did, I don't believe the eCVT can be run properly without the traction battery, so the HSD vehicle would still be immobile.
     
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    The IMA battery powers the DC-DC converter. If the IMA battery is dead, then the DC-DC converter will not charge the 12V battery.
     
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    For instance, if the smaller motor/generator doesn't have at least some current in it providing a holding torque, then that motor will just spin when the engine does and the wheels will not get any torque at all.
     
  10. pkhoury

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    So in theory, if the Prius were able to operate with a dead HV battery, would it still be getting over 35mpg? Since these were rated at 60mpg originally, I'm thinking the gasoline engine operating alone should yield about 40-45mpg.
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    Go for a long highway drive at speeds always in excess of 52mph. That is the mpg you would get without the HV pack.
     
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    pkhoury Proud TDI owner

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    Yeah, about the same as my TDI. My friend is hassling with the dealer over a battery replacement, but the dealer claims they're low on stock. Probably a load of BS.