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Ok to drive 15 min to dealership with these warning lights?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Auldtriangle8, Jul 6, 2016.

  1. Auldtriangle8

    Auldtriangle8 New Member

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    Last night after about 1.5 hours on the highway and then about 10 minutes through the city we pulled into the driveway and then all kinds of warning lights came on. I have a 2005 Prius with around 115,000 miles.

    I have the following warning lights on:
    1) Check Engine
    2) Yellow Indicator, looks like exclamation point inside a circle inside parenthesis (see attached image)
    3) Red Multi-information display (exclamation point inside a triangle)
    4) Hybrid System Warning Light on display screen, looks like exclamation point through a car

    The engine cranks up just fine and drives forward and backward in the driveway fine. Battery level indicator is blue (see image). I checked for "turbulence" in the inverter reservoir with the engine off and fluid was flowing. I checked the 12V battery (using the car's measurements by holding Display and turning lights on and off 3 times) and its value was 12.1 volts without engine and A/C on and 11.8 volts with them on. The fan in the back right passenger seat is always on now though (I don't remember ever hearing this fan noise before), regardless of engine on or not, even though it's only about 80 degrees outside and it's been sitting idle all day and all last night. It comes on pretty much immediately when the power button is pushed.

    I hoping to know if it's OK to drive it to the dealership (about a 15 minute flat city traffic drive with stop lights).

    Also, any ideas of what it could be?

    Hybrid Engine Electric Water Pump and regular engine water pump replaced about 40,000 miles ago (according to service records, we bought used about 20,000 miles ago so I'm not exactly sure what was done). I'm not sure what these are as that's all the description given in the records. I'm not sure if the inverter coolant pump has even been changed (I understand there's a recall for this part?).

    The coolant system was recently refilled and bled after my wife got in a fender bender and the Prius had to go to the shop. Fluid levels all seem good.

    Thanks,

    Jason
     

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    Most likely sounds like your HV battery has died. Fan running loudly is a big clue besides all the warning indicators. I had the same thing occur recently, read the code, and it was a P0A80 (hybrid battery failure). Here's what I did: My P0A080 fault code and battery rebuild | PriusChat

    Your car will most likely try not to use the battery much on the drive to the dealership and will be underpowered so stay to slower city streets and in the right lane in case it suddenly dies. As wild as it may sound, some folks have actually continued to drive the car in this state for several days before seeking help!

    Good Luck!
     
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    Thanks for the speedy reply.

    I will try to drive it to the dealership and have them test the codes and respond once I know more.

    Very impressive on your DIY job for your battery! Unfortunately I am lacking in many areas to follow your example (no work space, no experience, no time, etc.)
     
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    So I took it to the dealer and he ran a diagnostic and said the HV battery is bad and needs replacing. He said the part is $3050 for the battery and with labor the total is $3900.

    I'm thinking of looking into the re-involt batteries and getting it installed by someone local. I see that the Dorman product is about $1350 online, plus shipping the part and the old part for the "core charge." This plus labor to install may be around $2000 I'm guessing.

    Does anyone have an opinion on which course of action I should take?

    Thanks
     
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    Your car does not have a lot of miles on there, I suggest if you can afford a new battery, that would be the most reliable choice. This will give you another 8-10 years of reliable service with the battery.

    Re-Involt and Dorman are the same, Dorman bought the company. This refurbished battery has a 3 year warranty and you will need every bit of the 3 years.....as it will most likely fail within the 3 years, sometimes multiple times. So if you can deal with the occasional break downs, then Dorman would be a good choice for less money.

    You can also call Toyota HQ for a goodwill discount. You can have the dealer call them for you or you can initiate the call yourself. With a goodwill discount, your cost will probably be under $2000 for a brand new reliable battery
     
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    Thanks for your recommendation.

    We got a quote from the dealer that did the diagnostic for $3900 for everything. There are only 2 dealerships in Lexington, KY so I called the other one and got a quote for $3325.

    As a funny story hopefully some of you may enjoy, my wife has been doing some of this calling and so forth and got pretty livid at the original dealership. There were many reasons why including...
    1) Car got a flat tire in their parking lot (of the dealership) on the way in and they "weren't sure they could fix it for free." We're talking about a $3,900 job and they risked losing our business over a $50 fix or $150-200 new tire. I understand if it was a job less than $1,000 but come on, this happened in their parking lot like 100 feet from the service department!
    2) Wouldn't yield on price when asked, which is fine I understand if you really can't but I was skeptical based off of prices I've read here on PC ($3,100-$3,500).
    3) When asked multiple times over the phone if they've talked to the "manager" about fixing the tire they still hadn't called
    4) When I called then original dealer (who quoted $3,900) and said we got a quote for $3,300 from the other dealer, he wanted a paper copy of the quote but would match the price (which was good of him). But... still didn't know about the tire (it's been since 9am this morning).
    5) When my wife spoke with the new dealership, she spoke with a friendly person (unlike original dealership) and the new dealership said they'd plug the tire for free if it could be plugged. New dealership person was a super knowledgeable and friendly woman which my wife and I appreciated (it's not too hard to be nice, honestly).

    My wife proceeded to call the original dealer and say we're getting the car towed (because of the flat tire) to the new dealer (cost of $85). They said they'd match the price even without a paper quote but my wife had drawn a line at this point and was not going to budge.

    Lesson of this whole endeavor, do not piss off my wife! :) She's a wonderful person that I love... but DO NOT cross her!

    Total cost: $77 for diagnostic + $85 for the tow + $3325 for the new HV battery = $3425.

    I'm not sure how old the 12V battery is but I'm thinking of getting that replaced at this point too. I don't see anything in the service records we have to indicate it's ever been replaced. I've read on here it should be replaced about every 4 years or so, is that right?

    Thanks for everyone's help!
     
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    4-6 years. there's a date code on top, if you want to bother.
     
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    Thanks, I'll ask the new dealership what date is on the 12V battery and if it's 4+ years old we'll get a new one.

    My wife and I only have this one car so we have to Uber/Lyft everywhere (still much cheaper than a rental car, about $10-15/day instead of $40/day) until it's fixed which should be Monday by 5pm.
     
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    It's not too late to ask for a goodwill warranty through Toyota HQ, It could save you a lot more than $3900 - $3425 = $475
     
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    I meant to add in my previous post that I did follow your advice and I called Toyota HQ and asked for a goodwill discount. After talking with several people for quite a long time Toyota's final verdict was that they weren't going to help. The car is 11 years old with 112,700 miles. Warranty is for 8 years/100,000 miles. I tried every type of persuasion I could think of but Toyota would not budge.

    If anyone has any experience getting Toyota to give a goodwill discount even though their car is out of warranty I'd love to hear it! Even if it doesn't net me a discount (I'll try the method that worked) it'd be good to know that some people were able to swing it.
     
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    ok, at least you made the effort to call. You didn't lose anything but the phone call time.

    since you are towing the car to the new dealer for the repair, request the service manager there to call HQ for you and ask. It can't hurt
     
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    That's a good idea, thanks.

    I had asked the previous dealership to call on my behalf but they said that "the person that may be able to do that is out today but you could call too instead."

    Hopefully the new dealership will be able to help! I'll update with whatever news I find out.

    I don't mind phone time if there's a chance for significant savings. Even 1/100 chance for $3,000 saved. That means on average it's $30, and hey, that's beer money!
     
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    Words to live by, my friend.

    One of mine went a lot longer than 4-6 years, and I'm in the PHX area, which traditionally kills batteries very quickly. I'd test the voltage if I were you (plenty of write ups around PC on how to do that), and if it's good, I'd hold off on replacing that for the time being. Your call.