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Spark plug broke off

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by CharlesPrius, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. Mendel Leisk

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    Well, he tried to to torque to 200 ft/lbs, but somewhere around 40~50 it snapped. :)

    A couple of times now, I've read here about folks misreading the inch/pound torque rating for the coil hold-down bolt, taking it as foot/pounds, and: you guessed it...

    When someone is hauling out a 1/2" drive torque wrench, tensioning it up, preparing to install this wee M6 locator bolt, you'd think they'd have a sober second thought?
     
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    Man I wish I did. Single dad here, things to do. I wish a screw type Extractor were possible here, but the broken-off wire and ceramic insulator are still attached. Not gonna try to break up the porcelain with an ice pick as I’ve seen one guy do in YT. My last gasp before shop opens Monday is to gently and very gradually try to grasp the remaining metal sleeve/washer end which is still present in the tube (see pic) with a yet to be purchased Extractor Socket. PBlaster should worked overnight I hope. Gonna spray it lightly again now and try this this afternoon. If it unseizes I’ll then vacuum anything loose before pulling completely. Gotta go to kid’s softball game now.
     
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    IMkenNY Im just being nosy

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    I helped out a friend who had this exact scenario.
    Break up the ceramic (falls onto the top of the piston that you dont want to be at the top of its stroke), use a quality extractor to remove the spark plug barrel remnant , thoroughly vacuum up the ceramic and verify cleanliness with an inspection camera.
     
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    Ouch, I am not very optimistic on this one. The good news is that it will come off once the head has been removed.
    So you aren't hopeless. (y)

    Let us know please
     
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    Get a small attachment kit for shop-vacs.

    Vacuum Micro Attachment Kit Mini Tools for All Vacuums - Walmart.com

    Use it to get the ceramic out of the center, since it should loose. Hopefully, the ground is the only thing keeping it from falling into the cylinder. Then it's just a matter of getting the easy-out into it.

    Sounds simple, but we all know it's going to be a PITA....
     
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    Knowing little about how spark plugs are constructed, this may be ignorance. But from examining an intact plug & researching, if the ceramic (white) sleeve was going to fall any further downward, it seems it would have done so already -- especially since I had been poking around in there when I still thought the hex nut was present (it wasn't -- it had fallen to the ground when I initially broke the plug and pulled it out), and I can still see the white porcelain/Ceramic. I don't know what affixes the Ceramic to the Metal Case (glue?), but... Can any harm be done trying to grasp the remaining cylindrical Metal Case / Shell (the part just below where the hex nut was) with an Extractor Socket (similar to pictured)??
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    Cost to remove head? I assume $1k, in which case, bye bye Prius
     
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    id foot the bill to the dealer that broke it and have them provide a rental while its being worked on on their tab also
     
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    @CharlesPrius I like your chances. If that tool includes the right size to grab the ring where the fracture occurred, it is likely to pull it inward slightly, and that torsional bias shrink might be just the thing to free up the thread. Tough to say if one of those has the right size to grab inside and the right outer size to clear the tube going in.

    That's where the Lisle kit for the Ford looks attractive- the plug bore is the axis for all work done. I have not been able to figure out if the typical plug for a Ford Triton 12-valve engine is sized anything like the plug for the Prius. I would work on that if I were you.

    Have you run the car? I've always believed in pulling plugs from a hot aluminum engine and installing them in a cold one. Food for thought.
     
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    This should not require a machine shop. A competent mechanic can remove a broken spark plug.
     
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    What dealer? He broke it while removing it. If this was done at the dealer, we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
     
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    @CharlesPrius Since you have not done this before I suggest you follow the recommendation given earlier by someone who knows how. The easy-out method works well but probably NOT something you want to learn "on your own" in this situation.
     
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    Correct; although I'm pretty sure the last plug job was done at a Toyota dealer, the time I'd spend trying to get them to cover anything isn't worth it. Pretty sure it was overtorqued because of where it broke (or the ceramic already was cracked when I grabbed the nut) -- but yeah, no dice.
     
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    Yeah, I have free AAA tow and will be seeing my mechanic tomorrow. I'll suggest they try to pull the ceramic and center-electrode then easy-out it, though I'll take their advice, been a customer for years & they are trustworthy.
     
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    I'm really hoping so! Towing it to mine in the morning!
     
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    You would never be able to prove they broke it, even if they did. The last plug job was likely at least 75K miles ago and who knows how many hands have touched the car since then.
     
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    My advice would be to not tell the mechanic how to fix it, since the reason you are taking the car to him is that you can't fix it. A dozen doughnuts for the shop always goes a long way to get a good job done.
     
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    As you and I suspected, the Extractor Sockets I bought - the sizes that MAY grab hold of the plug's cylindrical casing - won't even fit into the plug tube, and I don't foresee there's a brand out there that will. So, taking it in tomorrow, hope they can do it.
     
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    I didn't realize how high up the plug broke. I thought it broke at the threads. If this had happened to me, I could see myself trying a few things. I have so many extra sockets laying around, I would probably just use one of the old plugs to size up an impact socket or heavy wall socket that's just slightly smaller and hammer that son of a gun onto the broken plug ring and then try to unscrew it. Go or blow...
     
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    THAT is a great idea, though i also always tip the specific worker who does/did my job
    Yeah, wish you were around here... i'm handy but not that handy... plus i'm afraid of breaking off more of the ceramic, or the whole remainder, and have it fall into the cylinder. my mechanic hopefully has an answer