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Plug-in hybrids losing market share

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by Northerner, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. Northerner

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    Articles like that are how narratives come about, since it neglects to look forward.

    We all know the rollout of RAV4 Prime began after that data was collected, but many referring to it will not. They'll just see the headline & graph, then make an assumption it was proper journalism... rather than just a website seeking participation with at-the-moment hot topics.
     
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    I’m not sure I understand your meaning. We might expect the RAV4 prime to reverse the plug-in hybrid trend, but it will not alter the past. Do you feel the graph is made up?
    I’m as much surprised that hybrids and electrics both increased together while the plug in hybrids declined. For myself, at least, I consider the Prius Prime to be the perfect transition car as the auto industry moves to all-electric in coming decade(s).
     
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    The graph gives an impression decline will continue. We've seen sources like this in the past used for undermining.

    With the initial huge demand of RAV4 Prime., there's no reason to expect that to continue... but that critical tidbit was omitted... which is the approach antagonists use to mislead.
     
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    I suspect the downtrend happened as a result of the Volt being discontinued as well as the hesitancy of Toyota to expand sales of the Prius Prime.
    The RAV4 Prime should indeed help increase market share of PHEVs.
     
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    Introduction of the Escape PHEV had also been delayed. Though BEVs do generally outsell PHEVs. Last year they made up 74% of plug in sales in the US for 2019, and the California numbers from the article are showing the same ratio.
    U.S. BEV And PHEV Car Sales Compared: 2019

    For the curious, the European market ratio is closer to 50:50, but BEVs still lead.
    EV-Volumes - The Electric Vehicle World Sales Database
    The headline states it was for the first half of the year, and the CNCDA report isn't about future trends.

    Are you calling for data based analysis to have speculative info added in order to fend off propaganda? Doesn't that just turn a news article into propaganda?

    Those that will this for ill will do so regardless of what other tidbits it would have.
     
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    I see plug in hybrids as the gateway drug to cleaner more efficient cars. I think it will make sense for many years until we build up a charging infrastructure. I am having as many family members as possible try my car out to get a taste of electric drive. So far they have been impressed and surprised by how smooth and zippy the car is. They expect it to be slow and dull which its not.
     
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    All one needs to do is think about what type of vehicle the majority of Amtericans like to drive, than figure out
    how many PHEV's are built like that. Than figure out how many EV's are built that way.
    It doesn't take a Niccolo Machiavelli mathematician or a theoretical astrophysicist prof to run those numbers.
     
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    can someone throw in a gasser line on that graph please?

    of course, it's california, home of disneyland and imagineering
     
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    That article was addressing sales in California. I live there and I can tell you that the reason for the drop off is a total lack of advertising for the PHEV concept. I don't know anybody who understands the concepts behind a PHEV. Most think that the Chevy Volt was a BEV. The Ford C-MAX by ford was not advertised as a PHEV. I was surprised to see the one across the street plugged in a month after they bought it.

    My neighborhood is not typical. There are lots of Silicon Valley workers living here so a lot of BEVs and hybrids of various designs too. Within 6 houses of mine are 3 hybrids 3 PHEV, two BEV. It's not unusual to pull up to a stop light and see nothing but EV of one type or another.