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  1. esskay

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    Would appreciate some advice from the community on this.

    2006 Prius (package #7)
    190,886 miles

    At the beginning of December, our Prius had been sitting around a lot due to COVID. Got in the car to move it and 4 warning lights on the dashboard lit up: BRAKE, (!), ABS, and VSC. Using my BlueDriver OBD scanner, there were 2 codes: P3102 Transmission control ECU malfunction and P2799 Immobiliser malfunction. Odometer was at 190,700.

    There was no other unusual behavior while driving it, including brakes feeling normal, except a few days prior there was a high pitched beep that warbled a bit. This reminded me of the last time my 12V battery got low, when I got a warbled high pitched beep and a bunch of codes on the OBD scanner.

    However, I replaced the battery in March 2020 at 186,300 miles, so with less than 9 months on the battery, I didn't think it should have gone bad, even though the car's been sitting a lot. Measured the 12V battery in the trunk directly — it was 12.23V at rest, 11.8V in ready mode, 11.1V under load, 14.0V with ignition on.

    Just to be sure, I removed the battery from the car and charged/reconditioned it with a battery desulfator/conditioner for 3 days. It went from 12.4V to 13.1V at rest.

    I reinstalled the 12V battery. Scanned again with BlueDriver, and there were no codes. The 4 warning lights were still on. The inverter pump appears to be working, as fluid was moving in the reservoir.

    I jumped wires on the OBD plug to show diagnostics and got the following readouts from the blinking lights:
    (!): 57, 69
    ABS: 42
    VSC: 45

    Since the brakes felt normal, I was hoping this wasn't an indication of a brake actuator problem and just a random glitch from the 12V battery getting a bit too low. I pumped the brakes 8 times in diagnostics mode to clear the warning lights.

    Drove the car another 200 miles over 3 weeks without incident. Yesterday, the 4 warning lights came back on — BRAKE, (!), ABS, and VSC. BlueDriver OBD scan shows no fault codes. 12V battery reads 12.46V at rest, 12.04V in ready mode, 11.83V under load, 14.11V with ignition on. Diagnostic mode blinking lights show the same 57, 69, 42, and 45 codes as before. When I turned on the ignition for about the 4th time today, the car made that high pitched beeping sound again. It beeped for a little while then stopped. This time it wasn't warbled though.

    Brakes still feel normal, and there's no brake-related fault codes.

    1) What do the 57, 69, 42, and 45 codes mean?
    2) What does that high pitched beep mean?
    3) Do you guys think my brake actuator is a ticking time bomb?
    4) What do you guys think I should do? What else should I look into?

    The interior's in good shape but the paint is pretty ugly now. Would hate to sink a lot of $$ into the car at this point. Appreciate any advice, thanks!
     
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    Warning Light System Blink Code DTC Fortune Cookie Message Trouble Area
    1 (!) ECB 57 C1256 Accumulator Low Pressure Brake actuator assembly (accumulator pressure; accumulator pressure sensor; pump motor)
    2 (!) ECB 69 C1391 Accumulator Leak Malfunction
    • Fluid leakage
    • Brake actuator assembly
    3 ABS 42 - Not found
    4 VSC 45 - Not found


    Are you sure about the code you attribute to the ABS and VSC? There are no blink codes with those numbers that match against the systems mentioned. There is, however, a 42 in the ECB table and a 45 in the ABS table.
     
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    I've seen it happen before that some of the blink codes seem to be missing from the corresponding table. Realistically, I think the manuals' editorial staff doesn't work as hard to make sure the blink codes are all accounted for as they do with the scannable DTCs. So I've often seen the blink codes give enough information to solve a problem in a pinch with no scan tool handy, there do seem to be some mystery codes now and then.

    That said, another thing I've done from time to time is fail to find a blink code in the right table on the first try because I assumed they were in numerical order and they're not always. The tables show both the DTC and the blink code and are sorted on the DTC; sometimes a lot of the blink codes match the last two digits of the DTC but others don't, and so a table that's in order by DTC can be out of order by blink code. Especially trips me up if the table's not all on one page, and I see a code higher than the one I'm looking for, so I forget to look on the next page.
     
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    Thank you for the info, @dolj and @ChapmanF! I triple-checked my video footage and it is indeed 42 on ABS and 45 on VSC.

    The ECB codes are pointing toward that cursed brake actuator. This morning, I moved the car a little bit — right after startup, the brakes required way more pedal pressure than normal for a very brief period (maybe just a couple seconds during which I pumped the brakes twice after putting in drive so the car didn't lurch forward too far). After that, the brake feel returned to normal. Combined with previous PriusChat threads, unfortunately this leads me to believe that I'll need to replace the brake actuator. :(

    Does anyone have other symptoms or tests that I should perform? Or is this pretty clearly a brake actuator problem? Thanks!
     
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    Taken by itself, the "way more pedal pressure for a very brief period, then normal" feel is completely to be expected when the assist pressure is first being pumped up if the car has been sitting long enough for the pressure to bleed off. Even with a nice tight actuator, there's going to be some pressure loss when parked, say, overnight, and the pump pretty much always has to run for a few seconds when first getting into the car after being parked that long.

    Now, if that happens after you've only parked long enough to pump gas or buy a sandwich, that's getting on the not-normal side of things.

    It sounds like your pump does run (if it didn't, the "way more pedal pressure needed" wouldn't ever improve), so, with "pump not running" ruled out, it does seem that the likeliest cause for the codes you've got would be an internal actuator issue to be fixed by replacing the actuator.
     
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    Ahh... good point, thanks @ChapmanF. Now that you mention it, there have been a handful of times that I can remember over the years where I had to mash on the brakes right after starting the car and moving right away. That makes sense. I guess it makes me feel better that my brake actuator probably isn't totally garbage yet... but probably is on its way out. :(

    Guess I need to price it all out to figure out the best course of action. Thanks again.
     
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    Thanks, Chap, it is always good to have your input on a thread.
    You're are right and I also worked this out a long time ago.
    Having noticed this as well I search all the way to the end and then double-check the section heading to make sure I haven't inadvertently skipped on the next system's codes.

    Thanks, it is always good to have a second set of eyes over things like this. It is so easy to goof it up.
     
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    @dolj @ChapmanF or anyone else,
    Do you know the part number I should look for? Is one of these part numbers a better, more recent revision?

    I've found references to at least 4 part numbers:
    44510-47050
    04003-44647
    44500-47141
    44500-47090

    And I found someone posted this:
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    Thanks so much!
     
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    I don't see a location in your profile; sometimes the right part number will depend on which market region the car was built for.

    On parts.toyota.com I am still seeing 44500-47141 listed for a 2006 (for the US market) The TSB you found would replace that number with the 04003-44647. I'm not sure what's signified by the change of prefix from 44500- to 04003-, maybe that is some kind of special packaged kit for replacement under the TSB. That's the sort of thing @Elektroingenieur often miraculously seems to know.
     
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    In this case, your guess is as good as mine. Toyota typically uses part numbers beginning with 04xxx- for kits, but I don’t have any more information about the parts listed in the bulletin quoted above, T-SB-0032-16 Rev1, “ABS Brake Warning Light On” (PDF), April 18, 2017.

    Neither that bulletin, nor the dealer letter for Warranty Enhancement Program ZG1 (PDF), nor Warranty Policy Bulletin POL16-03 (PDF) explains the significance of the change in basic part numbers or identifies any items, besides the actuator assemblies, that might be included with the 04003- versions. The current list prices for 04003-44647 and 44500-47141 are the same ($1,716.21).

    The primary coverage under the ZG1 program ended in 2017, and the secondary coverage is “for 10 years from the date of first use, or 150,000 miles, whichever occurs first,” by the way, so it won’t help @esskay.
     
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    @ChapmanF @Elektroingenieur Thanks for the great information, yeah I'm CA. I did a bunch of research on the R&R and found another PriusChat member who posted a DIY method that avoids completely removing the inverter and water pump, hopefully that can make the process easier. So, to keep costs down, I just snagged a reman unit with a warranty off eBay from a seller who has good feedback on previous listings, and will tackle the work myself. Thanks again!
     
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    [mention]esskay [/mention] what did the part end up costing you from eBay? I’m getting similar issues and dashboard lights as you. I did a blink light count and got the same codes for the (!) and abs lights.

    Ultimately, I reset the lights so they no longer show up but that doesn’t resolve the underlying issue. I ordered a mini vci cable so I can pull the error codes to make a decision on what to do; repair and keep the car or just get rid of the car.

    Do let us know how the repair process went. It’ll sure help me figure out if it’s something I want to do.


    iPhone ?
     
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    This eBay reman part route may have been a false economy... :(

    I spent about 8 hours today removing and replacing the brake actuator with the eBay unit. It was too dark and I was too tired to work on bleeding the brakes tonight, so I powered up the car to see what would happen. The car immediately started beeping as long as the car was on. Even if the car was off, touching the brake pedal would set off the beeping noise. Clearly it thought something was wrong with the brakes. There was no power brakes at all, it was pure manual brakes, though I haven't bled the brakes yet.

    I went in diagnostic mode. In addition to the same blink codes shown above, I had two more codes:
    (!) >> 54, 61

    @dolj Would you be able to look up these new codes for me? Thanks so much!

    I have a PDF set of the service manuals, but I can't find any table that translates blink codes into DTC codes. Are they in the service manuals somewhere?

    I also found a chart of specified resistance readings. On the eBay part, I measured 1300 ohms on BM2-GND1 and BM2-BM1, and 850 ohms on BM2-MTT and BM1-MTT!! I wish I had been smart enough to take these measurements before I tore my car apart and installed the eBay part!
    Brake actuator resistance.png

    This makes me believe that, regardless of brake bleeding, the eBay part is no good, since those readings are way out of spec. Which would mean that I'll have to find another replacement part and R&R the actuator yet again. And seek a refund.

    After a couple of R&Rs, paying for a new part looks better and better. :(

    dolj @ChapmanF @Elektroingenieur If you guys have any thoughts, I'd appreciate it!

    BTW, my OEM part was 44510-47050, as was the eBay replacement.

    @LaCajun 25 The worst part of the job is removing the actuator. It's a big, heavy part on a large bracket with a heavy weight hanging off the bottom, and you have to yank it out of a tight space in the back of the engine compartment. You can't get good leverage, so your body and arms are stretched out trying to deal with it. Getting it back in is easier than removing it, but getting it back on the threaded studs was difficult. It took 8 hours today, I think I can do it faster the 2nd time around. But I'm not happy about it!
     
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    Yes, they should be. There might be some differences in your Gen 2 manual, but in my Gen 3 manual you could do a search for ABS DTC or for VSC DTC; those are the headings of two of the tables. Once you're there, you'll find all the tables are one after the other there, the ABS code table, the VSC code table, the Electronically Controlled Brake System code table.

    Most entries in the table give the five character DTC you would see on a scan tool, a slash, and the two digit blink code, like so: C1345/66.

    That gives you another shortcut: if you just open the PDF and search for the two-digit blink code with a slash in front, you will usually land right on one of those table entries. Be sure to page up to the top of the table and make sure you landed in the right one. The full DTCs are generally unique, but the two-digit blink codes can overlap, and mean different things depending on which light blinked them (meaning which table to look in).

    Beware: there are a few blink codes that don't have directly corresponding DTCs (at least in the Gen 3 book) and those codes appear in the table with no DTC and no slash in front, so the clever search with a slash won't find them. So if you get into a situation where the slash search found nothing, or found only a code in the wrong table, then back up and eyeball the right table carefully for a blink code shown without a DTC.
     
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    Thanks @ChapmanF !! I didn't realize the slash number is the blink code! I searched for <slash>blink code and found these entries in addition to my previous codes. The manual also lists INF codes, but I'm not sure how to pull those codes (I don't have Techstream).

    ETA: I found /42 and /45 in the 2nd gen manuals. /42 shows up twice:

    Warning Light System Blink Code DTC Fortune Cookie Message Trouble Area
    1 (!) ECB 57 C1256 Accumulator Low Pressure Brake actuator assembly (accumulator pressure; accumulator pressure sensor; pump motor)
    2 (!) ECB 69 C1391 Accumulator Leak Malfunction
    • Fluid leakage
    • Brake actuator assembly
    3 ABS - 42 N/A
    4 VSC - 45 N/A


    Blink code DTC code Description Trouble Area
    1 54 C1365 Accumulator Pressure Sensor Malfunction
    • Brake actuator assembly (accumulator pressure sensor)
    • Skid control ECU
    2 61 C1364 Wheel Cylinder Pressure Sensor Malfunction
    • Brake actuator assembly
    • Skid control ECU
    • Harness and connector
     
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    There's what I was saying about the "not found"s. In my Gen 3 book (beware!), there really is an ABS 42 code, shown at the top of the ABS table, with no corresponding DTC and no slash. It means "go look at your ECB codes."

    I don't know if it is shown the same way in the Gen 2 book, but it seems to make sense; if it is not there at all, it may have been left out by mistake, and then fixed for the Gen 3 book.

    Likewise, the Gen 3 book shows a 45 VSC code (which, likewise, means "go look at your ECB codes").

    If you did power the system up for entertainment purposes when you were too tired to do bleeding, I could easily see it not getting satisfactory pressure sensor readings.
     
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    Thanks @ChapmanF. I edited my last post, as I found /42 and /45 in the 2nd gen manuals. /42 shows up twice! Not sure about those entries. The actuator-related ones seem the most pressing.

    Good point about the pressure sensor readings.

    What do you think about the resistance readings on the eBay actuator's connector pins? That would suggest that Toyota immediately deems the part "No Go."

    I measured the resistance on my original part, and all are within spec (about 1 ohm) except the MTT readings, which are 500 ohms (spec is 33 ohms).
     
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    I don't have any special insight into the resistances.

    I am surprised that the second /42 you found, C2142, you have listed on the ABS light. That's a TPMS code that I would expect to see blink on the tire warning light.

    I found a PDF copy of a 2006 manual and I think it disagrees with you. It shows a C2142/42 in the tire and wheel section, as a code you would see on the TPMS light. In the brake section, it shows a C1242/42 code, but it is in the "DTC chart of ECB", not the "DTC chart of ABS", so it would be blinked on the (!) light, not the ABS light.

    As I (kind of) suspected, this 2006 manual does not list any 42 code that can blink on the ABS light, or any 45 code that can blink on the VSC light. But here on PriusChat we have frequently seen those reported, and been frustrated by not finding them (see post #2 in this very thread), and as of today I officially think they mean the same thing they mean in Gen 3. That is, there's a 42 that can blink on ABS, meaning "you have an ECB code", and there's a 45 that can blink on VSC, also meaning "you have an ECB code." I suspect they just got left out of the Gen 2 book by mistake because they don't correspond to any five-character DTCs, and then somebody said "oops" and made sure they got into the Gen 3 book.

    Needless to say, when looking up these blink codes, you have to decide how careful you need to be about finding each one in the proper table, and then be twice that careful.
     
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    @ChapmanF Ahhh!! Thanks for catching my mistake. I didn’t notice/realize that the codes are categorized in that fashion. That makes sense. I’ll go back and fix my table.

    Actually, I’ll need to double check if I picked up the correct DTC for the two new blink codes too.
     
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    Looping back on my thread with an update...

    I ended up returning the eBay "refurb" unit, but I didn't have another replacement part to put in. So I R&R the original brake actuator. Since I knew I would have to R&R it yet again, I removed the big heavy damper from the bottom of the actuator. That made it so much easier to reinstall the actuator. It took less than 4 hours this time. For S&Gs, I tried to do a quick Techstream-less brake bleed to see if I could temporarily drive the car around with the original actuator. Nope... it didn't work, the brake system was completely whacko.

    I eventually decided to just buy a brand new brake actuator. It came with a matching resistor. My son helped me install it; his skinny long arms allowed him to R&R the resistor from the driver's footwell without having to remove the entire instrument panel. The mechanical portion of the job of replacing the parts took about 4 hours, and getting the actuator in and out (even with the damper installed) was definitely easier with 2 people.

    However, the rest of the job was even more time-consuming. I figured since I bought a new actuator, I might as well do things the right way. So I got a Techstream compatible cable off Amazon and installed an old version of Techstream in a VM (using this awesome DIY that even includes a VM image: How-To: TechStream In 5 Minutes | IH8MUD Forum). I followed the service manual, doing a zero down procedure before removing the actuator, then the full brake bleed process afterwards.

    I kept having failure screens popping up in the middle of the Techstream brake bleed procedure. The car started acting strange too, with messages about transmission problems and not going into Park. I kept trying over and over, with failures always cutting it short. Eventually, I realized that the 12V battery had drained too low while working on the car, which was seemingly causing the problems.

    I gave up for the night, and recharged my 12V battery over the next several days.

    Today, we tried again. To be extra sure, I also connected a second 12V battery from one of my other cars, and attached a Battery Tender for good measure as well. Even then, the battery drew down from 12.9V to 12.2V from beginning to end.

    It worked though, with Techstream successfully completing the brake actuator replacement bleeding procedure (which is quite long and consumes a lot of brake fluid).

    But then I needed to initialize the brake system. This ended up requiring me to repeat the process (Linear Valve Offset) 4 times, including yanking the battery to reset the vehicle, before it finally succeeded.

    Brakes finally are back to normal! Success!

    Unfortunately, this managed to lose the yaw control/deceleration sensor zero point calibration, so there's a VSC code (C1336). However, I found the procedure to reset the zero point in the Service Manual, which requires a level surface and Techstream yet again. Perhaps it got thrown off because my driveway has a sizable slope. Either way, I'll find a flat lot and reprogram the zero point, then I should be done!

    Thanks all for the help!