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  1. John roden

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    I have a second set of wheels with snow tires and aftermarket pressure sensors. I read that some Toyotas will automatically store a second set of codes for people who wish to use two sets of Wheels but I was unclear if the Prius was one of these cars or if that was even true.

    I asked the dealer and they said they did not get involved with aftermarket sensors at all. I called a couple of local shops and they both seem kind of confused about the whole idea of how they would reprogram.

    My objective in buying the mounted snow tires was to avoid time sitting around tire shops I don't want to now have to go to the tire shop twice a year to get the TPMS reprogrammed and spend money on that. I don't personally care about the light but my wife drives the car a lot and she takes it far more seriously
     
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    We do twice annual tire swaps. While I am no expert on this matter, I do know that the tire shop walks around the car with a device that scans each tire. Then they plug said device into the OBD2 port to program things. It literally takes 2 minutes.

    We get this free (we bought one set of wheels/tires at Discount Tire so changeover is free for life). I assume there would be a nominal charge otherwise at a tire place. We avoid the dealer for tire swaps because $$$$.
     
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    Contact them again and tell them that the snows have "real" Toyota sensors on them too.
    And then see if they have an answer for your real question.
    They probably won't.

    So......contact Toyota directly at the "warranty help line".
    They can help with other things too.
    The number can be found in the manuals that came with your car.
     
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    So far, I've not seen any posts here at PC claiming to have programmed in 8 TPMS sensors, of any kind.

    a piece of black electrical tape over the light is the go to solution for snow tire use without reprogramming the sensor ID's for those more sensitive to dash lights of any kind.
     
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    AFAIK, North American models of PP and other Gen4 do not have 8 TPMS ID spots. But for EU models (not sure about Japanese models), Gen4 (and presumably Prius PHV) has been shown that they do have 8 TPMS sensor slots on ECU enabling easy switching of two different sets of wheels with registered TPMS sensors.

    See this thread: How To Register TPMS IDs | PriusChat

    If you can convince your wife, then the easiest and cheapest solution is to ignore the TPMS light when you have winter wheels/tires provided NY allows having the TPMS lights on for the state inspection. According to this article, NY is one of those states that mandate the working TPMS in order to pass the state inspection. So, make sure you don't have to have the car inspected during the time you have the snow tires on. Vehicle Inspections and TPMS Sensors | TireBuyer.com
    TPMS is subject to inspection in states where vehicle safety inspections are mandated. These states are Alaska, Utah, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Maine, New Hampshire, Louisiana, Vermont, West Virginia, New York, Virginia, North Carolina and Texas.
    If you want to have a working TPMS with your winter wheels, and don't want to visit tire shops twice a year, then you can DIY the reprogramming if you invest in the TPMS Tool like Autel TS508. It will cost you a few hundred bucks, but it will pay for itself after a few years of winter change-over. That's what I do, I have three different Japanese cars (Toyota, Nissan, Honda) all requiring OBDII interface TPMS tool to reprogram TPMS sensors. After a single year of the tool use, it paid for itself. Also, if you buy a kit for the TPMS tool, it often comes with programmable TPMS sensors that you can use on almost any car, so your initial cost on TPMS sensors will also be covered by the purchase.

    Whatever you do, don't have the dealer reprogram the TPMS sensors, they will charge arms and legs for what takes a few minutes of computer diagnostic tools. Any tire shop with a TPMS tool can do the TPMS programming. The cost varies but some do it for free, most charge the same fee as a tire rotation. If you have to take your car to a tire shop to have the TPMS sensor programmed, then as might as well, you can have them swap the tires for you. The cost is usually the same.
     
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    If you have a Mazda you'd be fine*, with Toyota not so much. Maybe a surreptitious piece of electrical tape over the light would placate your wife?

    I faced this issue in November 2010. Dealership mechanic asked if I wanted sensors on the snow tires, while emphatically shaking his head. I declined the sensors. Still using those tires lol.

    * Somehow Mazda's managed to use in-the-wheel sensors, similar to Toyota, but swapping a set of (so equipped) wheels/tires on, just a few minutes driving and the car'll find and use the new sensors.
     
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    I had the Prime inspected in NY this year with the TPMS light on and it passed.
    Still probably means nothing if I shop refuses to pass with the TPMS light on.
    I double checked and my search revealed
    https://dmv.ny.gov/forms/vs471.pdf
    """ YMMV and usually does """


    I also just tired the procedure in the link provided above and all it did in my car (and I suspect after watching the video in the european version too) is reset the TPMS pressure to the tires current pressures. drats ....
    I must have tried 10 times. with foot on brake, with ODO showing, pressing constantly, holding the long press on each of the 3 screens involved. All had the same result if pressing a different way move to the next screen.
    My TPMS dash light is still on.

    edit: Still, would be interesting to know which (if any) after market TPMS sensors can be programmed in with techstream.
    A couple weeks ago the OEM pacific sensors were $30 for a set of 4 on ebay. As it's a question that comes up occasionally here.
     
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    I have had plenty of cars inspected with tire pressure light on in New York state nobody seems to care. I remember when we got those lights because the Ford explorers were rolling over due to an issue with the Firestone tires. Careful what you wish for I guess.
     
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    In this thread on comments #3 and #13, I explained three methods currently available for Prius Prime owners to DIY TPMS sensor ID registering and their costs.
    How to program TPMS? | PriusChat
     
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    Thank you that is probably beyond my ability level and present garage equipment level. I think ignoring the light is probably going to be my best option
     
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    FWIIW: I install TPMS sensors on my winter wheels and use a ATEQ TPM QuickSet to store summer and winter IDs for two current vehicles, although it can support up to 4 vehicles. Been using the same device for over 8 years on multiple brand vehicles over that period. When I change wheels for the season, I load the IDS for the corresponding wheels/sensors via the OBDII port under the steering wheel. Only takes minutes to do and avoids having to go to the dealer or seeing a flashing light. But it does require a PC to store the IDs from which you load the QuickSet for the wheels and season.

    Amazon.com: ATEQ QuickSet TPMS Reset Activation Tool Relearn Tire Pressure Monitoring System : Automotive

    I just finished downloading from my 2022 PP the IDs of the TPMS sensors on the factory wheels that will be mounted with winter tires this week. I also manually entered the new sensor IDs for the new sensors I purchased for the summer wheels that will get the factory summer tires.

    If buying TPMS sensors, I suggest the threaded type:
    PN 42607-33050 that also requires a Fitting Kit PN 04423-33060

    A lower cost option since it does not require a Fitting Kit, is the rubber plug style like on the factory wheels: PN 42607-02050
     
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    Just as a side note:
    In most driving conditions, "snow tires" actually have WORSE traction than All Weather or "Winter" tires.
     
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    They are Blizzaks, they hook up really well in the snow. Little concerned about the lack of ground clearance though.
     
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    The situation is:
    In most places around the US, roads are plowed soon after a snowfall and the time you spend actually driving on snow is minimal. If there is any ice or hard packed snow left, the snow tires often have worse traction......and they aren't as good on dry pavement either. If you live where you DO drive on actual snow covered roads, or off road, the snow tires are fine.
    If not, you are just fooling yourself and likely wasting time and money.

    Why would your "ground clearance" change with snow tires ??
     
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    I'm not sure he said that; maybe just that snow tires are half the battle, and the Prius' low ground clearance is still liable to get you stuck.

    Lots of definitions there. Maybe just take it tire-by-tire? I appreciate more aggressive tread can lose traction on bare pavement sooner: I've noticed (with some), it's easier to spin the wheels when starting, say making a left turn quickly from a standing start.

    Still, our current Michelin X-Ice are very well behaved on clear pavement. And the softer rubber compound helps on frosty/icy conditions.
     
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    Thanks, I understand how winter tires work. My reference to the ground clearance referred to the ground clearance of the car when it left the factory I'm not saying that it is changed by the tires one way or the other.

    Our neighbors to the North in Quebec have been required for many years to switch over to winter tires.
     
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    I agree with you that the newer generation of winter tires I really quite decent for normal driving although they do seem to wear pretty quickly. The older style with the big lugs were kind of lousy in all conditions including snow but they looked like they should have been good. We get quite a lot of snow and it often has a high water content. Our roads are treated with salt so we end up driving in some pretty sloppy messy conditions. I've run winter tires on all four wheels since the Reagan years and definitely notice a difference compared to all season tires.
     
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    Yeah don't tell anyone, but I recently put on our (2010 purchased) X-Ice for the eleventh year. I did take one down to Kal Tire, asked if it was time, and they said judging from condition and tread depth, they've got at least one more year. Think I'll be shopping there, when I do replace.

    To be fair, the car only has around 93K kms in total, and the snow tires maybe a third of that?
     
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    But they are not Michelin X-snow tires. :whistle:

    Which is pretty much exactly what I am saying.

    And I think you are right about the ground clearance thing.
     
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    Winter tire and snow tire are synonyms. The X Ice is just another high end winter tire like the Blizzak or Nokian. They are expensive and wear out fairly quickly but offer a nice civilized ride along with great performance in Winter conditions. The old noisy aggressive studded winter tires we used to use when cars were rear wheel drive were inferior in pretty much every way to this new generation of premium tires. I think of the snowy Winters we had in the 1970s, driving around in Malibus and Grand Marquis with bias ply snow tires and sacks of concrete in the trunk, it's a wonder we ever got from point a to point b. I do remember making sure there was always a tow chain in the back of the car somewhere...