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OBD2 SCANNER FOR AUTO REPAIR

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Rick 432, Dec 31, 2022.

  1. Rick 432

    Rick 432 Junior Member

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    I need to do a few tasks on my Prius such as radiator fluid, brake fluid, inverter changes and other issues. A good scan tool is necessary, as I am informed by research. Any thoughts on a good scanner that would be good enough to be used for repairs on a Prius. Anyone every heard of a obd2 reader that can be used with purchased software installed on a laptop? Thanks :)
     
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    Many will use a 'mini-vci' cable and techstream (dealer technician diagnostic software). Since most modern versions of winblows can run 'apps', you should be able to use a newer bluetooth compatible laptop with a OBD2 device and run the desired app. But I've never seen it.
     
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    So far with that list you don't need to scan tool and I can all be done pretty easily straightforward You will need a scan tool that's true but to do these tasks so far not so much.. or I'll put it this way I didn't need the capable scanner to do these maintenance items on my cable scanner came a little after this brake fluid and Toyotas in this car is pretty stout You can test it and see if there's anything wrong with it and if it's still clear you can see through it etc You might not want to really bother with it because of break accumulator is in your future probably not too far away but whatever then you'll get the chance to really drain the brake fluid and you'll be right about the right time Good luck with it
     
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    Many generic scanners will only talk to the first ECU in the chain- and there are literally dozens in a Prius.

    The good tools are smart enough to ask that first ECU to forward reports from all the others. If the tool doesn't know how, you get no report, even if the car has a serious problem.

    Toyota Techstream is Toyota's official software. You'd run that on a windows laptop. It's expensive to buy, cheap to rent and then there's always piracy.

    Techstream allows you to use one of several interface cables. mini-VCI is probably the cheapest, Tactrix Openport is the gold standard.
     
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    "Expensive to buy" isn't a thing, as Techstream is never sold. You download and keep the software, but you rent the use of it, by buying activation codes that work for two days or for a year. It's $65 to activate for two days, or $1295 for a full year.

    You need some J2534 dongle to use with it. The dongle you buy and keep. The one that Toyota tests and stands behind is the Drew Technologies Mongoose Pro Toyota 2, which is $495. There are counterfeit knockoffs of that, often misspelling the name in some way, like "Mangoose".

    Toyota sells a $1500-ish "Techstream Lite" bundle you can buy, which is just a Mongoose Pro (yours to keep) and a one-year activation code for the software (normally $1295), and you bring your own Windows laptop. They have an even more expensive bundle you can buy that includes a pricey ruggedized laptop. But those prices don't matter to you if you just get a cheap Windows laptop and a dongle and pay the $65 for two-day activation codes.

    Any interface dongle that says it supports J2534 ought to (mostly) work. J2534 leaves some features optional, and not all dongles will have all the features Techstream wants to use. Mini VCI is among the cheapest. I also have a Tactrix Openport, but I wouldn't call it "gold standard": at the end of the day, it's another alternative J2534 dongle that costs less than the Mongoose Pro and mostly works. Depending on the Prius generation and what I'm trying do, there are things where the Tactrix works and the Mini VCI won't, and vice versa.

    Compared to the $495 Mongoose Pro, the Tactrix Openport is $169, there is a VXDiag VX Nano around $80 if I remember right, and the Mini VCI knockoffs can be around $20.

    All of these dongles have been plagued by counterfeits. What makes the Mini VCIs so cheap is that they're now all counterfeits: there was a real company, XHorse, that originally made them, but the counterfeiters ate them alive. I only recently saw a post where somebody actually managed to find a real one (if you do, it'll be more than $20!), but good luck repeating that trick. The counterfeiters are shameless with that one, they don't even misspell it like they do for the "Mangoose", so good luck searching ... everything is an "XHorse Mini VCI" no matter where you find it. Honest. ;)

    There's still a chance to keep that from happening to the Tactrix Openport. Please, if you want to use an Openport, spend the $169 and get a real one. If you want to buy a counterfeit something, buy a counterfeit of something like the Mini VCI where the damage is already done. Tactrix is still a going US company that designs and makes and supports their dongles, and that is good for us, let's not blow it.
     
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    Thank you for the information. :)

    Thanks for your thoughts! :) I know my brake fluid has a lot of moisture in it and was hoping it may improve the issue I am having with my accumulator. The pump runs and then comes off and it cycles like this as long as I am driving it. Many posts from other people simply say, live with it until if finally dies. I have no idea if changing the fluid will be beneficial but I thought for the $10.00 investment in fluid, it would be worth it. Besides, I have to change that fluid anyway because of the moisture. As far as the antifreeze and other coolants, I read many posts which state the fluid can be changed without a scanning tool but many of the professionals indicate a scanner insures all air is purged from the system. I love the car but working on it is definitely different. :)

    GREAT! Thanks so much. I will look at them. Thanks for taking the time to include the information! :) "I know my brake fluid has a lot of moisture in it and was hoping it may improve the issue I am having with my accumulator. The pump runs and then comes off and it cycles like this as long as I am driving it. Many posts from other people simply say, live with it until if finally dies. I have no idea if changing the fluid will be beneficial but I thought for the $10.00 investment in fluid, it would be worth it. Besides, I have to change that fluid anyway because of the moisture. As far as the antifreeze and other coolants, I read many posts which state the fluid can be changed without a scanning tool but many of the professionals indicate a scanner insures all air is purged from the system. I love the car but working on it is definitely different."

    Thank you so much for reaching out. I truly appreciate it. :)


    Wow.... that is great! So much information included. I truly appreciate you taking the time to reach out as you have. Have a great New Year!

    From a prior post explaining why I am looking for a this information.

    "I know my brake fluid has a lot of moisture in it and was hoping it may improve the issue I am having with my accumulator. The pump runs and then comes off and it cycles like this as long as I am driving it. Many posts from other people simply say, live with it until if finally dies. I have no idea if changing the fluid will be beneficial but I thought for the $10.00 investment in fluid, it would be worth it. Besides, I have to change that fluid anyway because of the moisture. As far as the antifreeze and other coolants, I read many posts which state the fluid can be changed without a scanning tool but many of the professionals indicate a scanner insures all air is purged from the system. I love the car but working on it is definitely different."
     
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    I don't know how you have this moisture whether it's like a terrarium in the brake container and you see the droplets on top of the canister or on top of the reservoir. So I mean you took a sample and had it tested in your what 17 25%. I would say with the nonsense you have going on with the pump running like it is you're on borrowed time you'll be doing the brake fluid soon enough The little bit of moisture you speak of however you know it's there is not going to hurt anything in the system until this crashes and then you can change the brake fluid to Dot 5 which doesn't collect moisture and put in your new accumulator pump assembly block and roll on for another 300k generally it looks like there's only happens to the gen too once. But like anything electrical it can just fail it's just the way of the electrical world..
     
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    I am not sure what the moisture content is as I only had a visual tester (goes from green to red) and mine bottomed out. The only reason I am considering trying the brake fluid change is in my other car (Chrysler Town and Country) I had an issue with the brake warning light on. I did some research and changed the electronic brake sensor switch witch is located under the brake reservoir. There was no improvement. Then I saw a video about brake fluid and moisture. I changed the fluid in the system and the issue was gone. A few people I saw on YouTube mentioned how moisture in brake fluid can cause weird issues. I thank you so much for the information you provided. Also the information about the DOT 5. I had not idea about that. GREAT TIP! :)
     
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    "Also the information about the DOT 5. I had not idea about that. GREAT TIP!"

    Sorry but NO! Tom has given bad advice- this is wrong!

    DO NOT PUT DOT 5 BRAKE FLUID IN ANY MODERN CAR!!

    DOT 5 is a silicon based brake fluid that's incompatible with the glycol based DOT 3 that's been used in (all) factory production cars for most of the past century.

    Besides compatibility, DOT 5 has the wrong viscosity for most any type of ABS system (it can aerate when pulsed rapidly).

    It is mostly suitable for use in say, an old school classic muscle car that has had all the brake parts freshly replaced (there are arguments for and against its use even here).

    DOT 3, 4, 5.1, and (DOT 4 - "class 6" or "class 7") are all glycol based fluids that are "downward compatible". These fluids can mix. You can use DOT 4 where DOT 3 is the required spec, but not the other way around, and so on.


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    Thanks you for the information. I had heard that dot 4 could be used in place of dot 3. I have stayed with dot 3 because the book on the car says so. If am reading you correct, I can use dot 4 instead of dot 3. Is there a benefit to doing so? If not, I will stay with dot 3. I know there is moisture in the fluid and I suspect it has never been changed. Thanks you so much for your post! Happy New Year.... as it just turned to 2023!
     
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    I have Motul Red top DOT 5 in all my Prii today 4 of . I also have the same fluid in five Italian Aprilia motor scooters that are on my property that I've had for 10 plus years I'll let you know when anything fails because of the motul For 5 thanks . I realize it's not in the manual and it's not protocol for lots of people That's okay these are in my vehicles I'll be waiting for a fail and waiting to rear in somebody etc it's never happened yet I've been using this fluid since it's inception I love it I even used to use it in old Corollas and old celica's You can see my posts about using it way back in the beginning of the internet under racetoy @ AOL.com. And I will keep using this brake fluid until I expire or something better comes along It will not take on water etc It works very well My brakes have never been any of a problematic issue on any vehicle I've ever owned from powersports equipment to big 18 wheel trucks no problemo but I do understand the comment above and have no problems with it.
     
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    All the scooters mentioned above made by this Italian company have ABS on them they make the same noise that a generation two or three does when the brake pedal is applied or when you get in or out of the car has a pump and accumulator system exactly like the Prius just a little smaller and I've had all of these vehicles practically since they were new and boy do I have brakes . And I already know this information that Mr Man is posted but unfortunately I've been doing this for so long that none of this has ever reared it's ugly head and I sure can aerate the fluid and I drive like a crazy person or used to I don't anymore I'm old now none of this really matters. But I don't have any of the funny pad wear that I see pictures of here and certainly don't have any moisture in my brake fluid system and then the other systems on the other machines that I own everything is clear no rust nothing so I'll stick with it thanks
     
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    Thanks for the information especially about the ABS pump. I know mine has to be replaces as a the pump cycling off and on every 6 seconds which is not normal. Many say just drive it until it dies and other say replace it right away. Sucky job but I know it will have to be done at some point. It's a shame they aren't repairable. My guess is, the part that is defective in that pump is most likely not expensive but as we all know, companies build things to break! Selling parts is were a lot of the profit is. Thanks again and have a great New Year! :)
     
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    I'm sure some companies do that, but they won't stay in business long doing it. Then there are the off-shore places that don't care about anything after the initial sale. That is a volume game and they sell cheap so it is not worth people's while persuing recourse. Gullible people in search of a 'bargain' fuel that fire, and as long as they do, the suppliers will keep doing it. The biggest laugh is the gullible people will blame the OE manufacturer for the failure of the cheap (and more often counterfeit) parts. Hilarious!

    Most responsible manufacturers will make parts that will last the designed lifetime. If you want to have the equipment last longer than that, be prepared to replace parts as they fail.

    Not everything in life is a conspiracy.
     
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    It's actually probably the accumulator or a leak by a valve sticking open by a piece of crud in that big aluminum block of valleys and ways. And because when one of those solenoids tries to close there's a little piece of something that doesn't allow a valve to close all the way and now it creates a leak all the time or what the computer thinks is a leak because the flow is not closed off or something along these lines. So the pump just keeps running and running not because it can't pump up the pressure because the pressure can't be brought up because something is open that's not supposed to be.
     
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    Not everything in life is a conspiracy.[/QUOTE]
    That is very true. The companies don't have to conspire..... they understand the public. LOL
     
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    I don't care what you have done with your cars. If I did any of that "stuff" at my shop, I would have a great big bullseye on my back for any lawyer (or state prosecutor) to go after me. And they would be correct to do so.

    Just because "nothing has gone wrong for you" (yet), you shouldn't recommend doing stupid things on safety systems to other people (like compression fittings on brake lines).

    All the manufacturers have specific procedures and fluid specs FOR A REASON. Lots of it has to do with people getting killed- because of stupid things.

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    The big difference is DOT 4 fluid has a higher boiling point than DOT 3. As long as the fluid is changed / flushed occasionally, DOT 3 is fine for any car where it's specified.

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