Quick Comparo: 22 Prime to 24 Prime

gen4 prime is infinitely more practical than gen5 prime. I almost back out of trading my Gen4 but all those Canadian incentives and a good trade-in amount messed with my head After driving gen5 for a month I regret trading it in If you have to pay the full amount for Gen5 it is not worth it, in my opinion, too ma sacrifices over Gen4.

 

Hopefully you will start liking it in a while. Trading in from a car or moving from a house you like could make you miss what you had and leave you feel shocked.

 

Yes, it happened when i went from subarus to toyotas. Subaru was a pleasure to drive in terms of ergonomics, visibility, sense of car dimensions, and intuitiveness. I just assumed that Toyotas will be the same thing. I was very wrong. I would love to get another subaru but they went with quite a few very questionable engendering decisions and i just could not afford to buy a problematic car.

 

I'm genuinely surprised at your reaction! I went from a base 19 PP to the top trim 23 PP, and I'm still giddy every time I look at it or stand on the accelerator (which I don't do often). I never have to second-guess passing someone on a two-lane highway!

I'm not often loading it up with a lot of stuff, and yes there is less storage and headroom, but I tilt the driver's seat back and have gotten used to a "relaxed" driving position which kind of goes with the sports car aesthetic. And that bigger battery means there are situations where before the engine would have had to come on, and now it doesn't.

 

I'm the same. Still giddy and not even driving a Prime. And I continue to find new ways to increase the fuel economy. Light years beyond my G4.

The haters are either trolls/jealous, or had a very specific need the G4 filled, that the G5 can't. Self-deprecating looks?

 

You got a post about your top tips? At the moment looking for lightweight 17" wheels (switching from 19") and looking for aero covers, though I'm not finding much.

These are quite light: Thoughts anyone?


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I've posted a TON of tips on maximizing the fuel economy on the G5, you're just gonna have to use the search function and filter by my name.

You should find some stuff in this thread: 2023 LE fwd mpg, what are you getting? | PriusChat

But it's far from complete.

Here's another thread I just found: Gen5 Hypermiling Checklist | PriusChat

 

In my view (I am a senior citizen) the 2024 Prime XSE is clearly not as useful or comfortable or practical as a family car as the 2022 Prime Limited is. I drive them both.

Yes, the 2024 is better-looking, and is more powerful, and has newer safety and entertainment features. And it may also drive and hold the road a little better—I really can’t judge yet.

BUT: I can tell that the 2024 is much more difficult to enter and exit; it has less headroom; the front seats are less comfortable; the outward visibility to the sides is worse; there are distracting reflections in the very slanted front windshield; the headlights are less powerful; there is less cargo space and only the flimsiest cargo cover in the rear; and the 19 inch tires and wheels are too easy to scuff against curbs.

In addition the newly available glass roof does not open and offers no benefit that is apparent to me.

The dashboard controls are smaller and poorly marked. The various instruction manuals are poorly written (or poorly translated), cryptically illustrated, and generally difficult to follow (unless you happen to be an auto engineer or computer nerd!)

As for gas mileage and efficiency: My 2022 gets between 60 and 65 MPG on highways (at up to 70 MPH), and 55 to 60 MPG in everyday suburban driving. The 2024 so far is getting somewhat less: generally 45 to 55 MPG.

And as for electric-only driving: I was blindsided by a significant problem of the 2024 (at least in the NYC area) which Toyota refuses to accept responsibility for: According to NY’s Con Edison, the Prius Prime “because of the poor quality of the onboard Toyota telematics” does not qualify for its widely-advertised “Con Ed--Smartcharge” program which provides electricity rebates and incentives for EV’s and hybrids. To qualify one must therefore spend a thousand dollars or more extra to purchase and install at home one of the very few (and very expensive) Level 2 charging stations that include telematics satisfactory to Con Ed and Smartcharge!

So much for Toyota’s and Con Ed's (unfortunately misleading) “just plug [the included Level 1 charger] into an ordinary 120 volt outlet and save” advertising. I have found that there is no saving—and in fact it is clearly more expensive to run the Prime on electricity at the currently available non-subsidized electricity rates where I live.

That said, it is true that the electric-only range for the 2024 has been extended to around 30 to 35 miles.

And as for reliability: There is already a safety recall--because the rear doors of the 2024 may open by themselves in the rain! (And it could be six months more before dealers can fix this danger by installing more-waterproof rear door locks.) In contrast there have been no recalls or other significant problems on my 2022 in my two years of ownership.

 

I'm surprised you actually bought and still have the Prime. If you're getting only 30- 35 miles of electric range, you may want to change up your driving style. I regularly get 45+ miles of range. As far as being more expensive to run on electricity than gas, better research next time before purchasing a new vehicle will serve you better. I save quite bit as electric rates where I live is only a flat 0.06 kWh 24/7.

 

The Gen4 and Gen5 are not really comparable. “Hybrid Reborn” LOL.

 

I agree with your comments....Toyota went in a different route for the GEN 5 because the GEN4 was going nowhere it terms of sales.
I will stick to my 2022 prime for now because it fills my needs perfectly. The new form factor (interior and exterior) does not appeal to me.
I think that my next car will not be a Prius because of that ...future will tell.