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Prius Prime as emergency power source

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-2022)' started by Randy B, Sep 14, 2022.

  1. Randy B

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    Lots of grid outages from fires and storms around the country. Has anyone used their Prius Prime [with inverter] to power their house? or as a mobile power source?
    From my experience, the Prius and Prius Prime make a great generator. One can get up to 1kw of power off the 12v system, and up to 5kw off the Prime battery.
     
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    I have not done it.

    I remember a few years ago, seeing multiple after-market kits that would allow you to install an invertor to produce 120/240vac from a Prius.
     
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    How did you do that?
     
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    My Honda generator has been working just fine for 40+ years now. Unlimited capacity. Just need to put gas in it and change the oil when necessary. Paid $1000 back then. I think they are closer to double that now.
     
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    I don't know about just an advertisement. People have been interested in using Prii that way since way back. Randy's got a business that sells some products you can use to do that, and he does come around from time to time and make posts on the general topic. The posts usually don't mention his business directly, which I guess you could read as steering clear of outright advertising, or also read as not full disclosure, depending on how you see it. I guess what matters is what's ok the way Tideland sees it.
     
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    I thought about the PRIME inverter system, but in the end, I concluded that it was not big enough for my need. A portable dual fuel or even better, triple fule if you have a natural gas line to the home, would serve much better and way cheaper for the same power. I currently have a 7.5kW dual fuel portable generator that cost less than $800. But I think I will have to upgrade it with a bigger one if I want to use hot water during a power outage...
     
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    I try keep my posts informative on the subject of using Prii as a power source, mentioning 12v solutions as well as POP. There is not alot of knowledge widespread on this useful topic, nor alot of HV products... I try to shine a light on this topic from time to time for general utility. The Ford Lightning e/h-truck is so popular [wide public interest], in part because it has V2H capability, and I believe every Toyota/Lexus hybrid-plugin owner should know they have similar capabilities available to them.
     
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    Tagging on to your post-- I'm in post-hurricane Houston and am interested in using one or more of my 3 (yes, 3) Priuses as an emergency generator for the next freezepocalypse or baby hurricane that comes my way. I like that I already own 3 potential generators so would not have to spend several hundred dollars on a gas- or solar- powered generator and I really like that the car is cleaner and much more fuel efficient than a gas generator. Reading fellow Houstonians post-hurricane comments, I can see that folks spent a lot on gas (gasoline and LP gas) and also used a lot of gasoline which was hard to find for a few days, defeating the purpose of having a stand-alone generator. According to very many post-storm reports, gas generators seem to use about one-half to one full gallon of gas per hour and also require frequent maintenance that I'm not terribly interested in doing.

    I've gathered from reviewing possibly every post or video available in the internet that I should not use a larger than 1000 watt inverter on the 12v battery to stay comfortably below maxing out the potential wattage available via the car. I have seen 2 videos and one comment (Anjunaspeak23, below) from folks have used a 2000 watt inverter, I'd like to not put any of my 3 cars in any danger since all 3 are also daily use vehicles.

    Is the 1000 watt inverter the best choice for safety in your (anyone who has considered, is knowledgeable about, or has done this) opinion?

    I also understand I should stay 20% below the maximum of 1000 watts available using the inverter so I was thinking that I could get a comfortable 800 watts per car. 800 watts would give me a great deal of comfort. I've determined that my fridge uses 379 watts. Caution says I should allow twice that for surges- or when the fridge needs to power up- so I calculated to allow the fridge 758 watts. Caution implies to me that I should use one car and one 1000 watt inverter as a stand-alone for the fridge only. Spending about $200 dollars on an inverter and a heavy duty power cord, and not losing a couple of hundred dollars worth of food makes this seem like a good investment. Do you (anyone who has considered, is knowledgeable about, or has done this) have an opinion on this?

    I was thinking I could disconnect the fridge from time-to-time to power other kitchen stuff except that other kitchen items use a surprisingly large amount of power. For example, the coffee pot says it needs 1550 watts. The microwave says it needs 1150 watts. The tea kettle wants 1000 watts. At these numbers, I'm not sure I can actually use these other kitchen items at all if I adhere to my previous "caution" plans of 800 watts max. I guess I'm wondering if I'm being overly cautious or if I should just plan on some other method(s) of food prep.

    I still have two other cars and could use one or two of them to run stuff like fans, routers, lights, and even the router household computers, since none of those items are watt-hogs. This would make life much less boring.

    A final question- most inverters allow for two extension cords. I presume this means, using my cautious math, that I can only plan on about 400 watts per cord (or 500/300, 0r 200,600, etc.) Is this correct?

    I guess I'd like opinions and thoughts on these plans and also opinions and thoughts on if I'm being too conservative on my planned usage of 800 watts per car.
     
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    I have a 12-volt input, 1000 watt inverter in my gen 3, which is about as large as I would go with something powered from the 12-volt system. Gen 3's DC/DC converter is rated 120 amps, which is somewhere from 1440 watts at 12 volts to 1680 watts at 14 volts, and the car itself uses anywhere from about 400 watts with most accessories turned off, to a lot more when several of its more power-hungry electrical bits are in use (it's safe to assume Toyota didn't go a lot bigger on DC/DC converter capacity than the car's own worst-case usage would demand).

    You have posted this in the 2017–2022 Prime forum, and I do not know if that model's DC/DC converter specs are much different from the gen 3's.

    I have a six-quart Instant Pot in my kitchen, which draws too much for a 1000-watt inverter, but I have a three-quart version that uses 700 watts, and so runs quite comfortably in the car. It is quite a versatile appliance.

    It is, of course, possible to get a good deal more power using an inverter powered from the car's high-voltage system, which was the idea Randy opened this thread with. As I understand it, though, Randy's company is no longer selling any of those at the moment.