Is My 2025 Solar Charger Malfunctioning?

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  1. iRun26.2

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    Sorry. Another post from myself without a response from anyone else:

    The one thing that is most useful about the ‘charge percentage’ way of measuring the gains from the solar panel is that the ‘charge percentage’ can be seen without turning the car on (on the iPhone app). I think the other measurements must have the car powered on. That is one of the main reasons I wish the ‘charge percentage’ matches the others.
     
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    is there are charge percentage on the car screen as well? if so, does it match the app?
     
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    Yes, that to me is the most discouraging piece of the puzzle: The percent of charge remaining on the car and the percentage remaining charge on my iPhone app are the same. Yesterday, charging from 6AM to 3PM (when I leave work for home) I see an increase of 3% on both my iPhone and the car. The message on the leaf screen says I received a 2.3 miles of charge from solar power since the car was last turned on. Driving home, the 3% of additional charge is gone in like 1/2 mile (back to what it said when I arrived at work).

    I did get remarkably good driving efficiency on the way home, going 20.8 miles while using only 40% of my charge (. So it does seem like I got more than I normally would out of the car on the way home. That may be the wind, though.

    As I stated earlier, I did enjoy the ride. I don’t know what to believe, though, as far as solar charging was concerned. I sure dissipated the 2.3 miles earlier than I would expected.
     
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    It doesn't make sense to assign that solar charge to the initial part of the drive - where there's maximum power draw with you getting up to speed and stabilising the climate, and then conclude you're not getting value.

    It would make more sense to look at your 20.8 miles on 40% and conclude you got 3/40 of 20.8 = 1.6 miles.
     
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    That makes no sense. 3/40 = 0.075 = 7.5 %. That is not what it told me. For that it would have needed to go from 61% to 68% which it did not do.

    You are right though in that the amount of power it uses initially is more than later on. But 2.3 miles gone in 1/2 mile? That seems a bit excessive. I’ve noticed that the electric mode is more efficient after you have driven a little ways but it’s not like warming up a gas engine.
     
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    3/40 or 7.5% of 20.8 miles.is 1.6 miles. Don't start getting other percentages muddled with your percentage of SoC.

    And the electric usage varies massively. Haven't you looked at the efficiency trip view?

    Maybe it's less clear when using miles per kWh, but when looking at kWh/100km, you'll have some one-minute bars down at 6 and some hitting the display limit at 40.

    One acceleration to motorway speed.can consume the same as a couple of miles of slower cruise. So sure '2.5 miles' of charge can easily be used in half a mile.

    Over the long run it all averages out, but you're looking at a real micro level here with these tiny charge deltas.
     
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    It is very incorrect for it to tell me 2.3 miles (you came up with 1.6 miles, that was never reported to me) with only a 3% of total 100% charge. That implies I would get 2.3 x (100/3) =76.667 miles on a full charge. Not happening!

    Also, I’m not driving on a motor speed way I’m going 30 mph without the air conditioning on.
     
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    is there anything in the o/m explaing the battery percentage?
     
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    Your car's sensor is probably reading the surface charge on the traction battery and yielding the 2.3 mile distance calculation. This is similar to taking a battery off a battery charger. If you take an immediate reading your going to get a higher voltage than waiting 15 minutes for the battery to "settle". Garbage in; Garbage out..... and a better reason for the 0.5 mile actual gain. Have you done the actual math; isolating the panel output and tried comparing it to the car's readout????
     
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    Yes ...

    p. 156 calls that percentage item in the MID meter display the "EV energy remaining" with the added definition "Displays the amount of charge remaining in the traction battery".

    Just did a real-time check on my own vehicle:

    MID display = 57% (2:44 PM)
    Toyota App = 59% (App updated at 2:44 PM)

    And interrogating my CAN bus with an OBD2 scanner using three apps it seems related to the State Of Charge (SOC):

    Dr. Prius = SOC = 56%
    OBD Fusion - SOC = 56%
    Car Scanner Pro - SOC = 56%

    And while my OBD2 scans gives me way more precision and split second SOC values to multiple decimal places, the Toyota vehicle and app offers no decimal place.

    So 57% can mean 56.5% to 57.499%.

    This isn't about a percent here or there is it? Oh wait, maybe it has been all along.
     
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    No. It is several percentage points. Why is this so hard to understand?

    I get 4.5 miles/kW-hr minimum. Thus a full charge on a (new) battery should be 10kW-hr worth 45 miles for 100% charge. I get 3% change in the charge percentage. That is only 0.03 x 45 =1.35 miles while the car tells me 2.5 miles gained. That is nearly double! (Nearly 3% off).

    Im tired of arguing (but I’m still enjoying my car). I’m sticking to my original request. I want someone that actually owns one of these units to look at the charge percentage gained and also quote the miles gained as reported by the car. I want to know if mine is any different than theirs.

    If I had to guess, I’d say it’s probably due to inefficiency of the solar voltage boost regulator that cranks the solar panel voltage to much higher EV battery’s voltage. Toyota may just measure power out of the solar panel (before the boost not counting what the boost regulator wasted). I’d be fine with that if a few other people said they see exactly what I’m seeing (simply verifying my car is no different than other people’s cars).

    I still would have bought the car if I only got 1.5 miles for a full days worth of solar energy. I just wait to know why there is such a big discrepancy.
     
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    In about a week I will be parking my car in the open sky for 10 full days (at the airport). My charge will most likely be 40% remaining to start out with). I will eager await to daily see how much more charge has been added to my car. This will be a better test than anything I currently have data for. If I get the 3% (of 100%) I’m seeing daily and get it for roughly 10 days, that be 30% and I could make it home from the airport without charging at the airport (and not turn on the gas engine). Getting 2.6 miles per day to produce close to 26 miles (what the car will probably report) would be even better (60%). I will be thrilled my car is capable of either outcome.
     
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    too bad it doesn't report kwh instead of miles. miles are just a guesstimate based on remaining kwh and past miles/kwh formula
     
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    Toyota does provide the solar watt-hour gain for the current day and kWh all-time (unless cleared). Divide that watt-hour by 1000 and you got the kWh (Something demonstrated in post #11). So it's there if that's what you want to use otherwise they do some conversion without any given formula to come up with miles and show that too.

    Not unlike a public trail I walk where they post signs along the way like "Congratulations you've earned a cheeseburger by making it this far".
     
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    I've had my solar Prius for 10 months now. Your solar roof is working fine by what you've posted, but trying to get exact conversion of percentages to miles is a waste of time and sanity. You can do all the math you like but it doesn't change the fact that the mileage estimate is a computer's best guess, nothing more. A/C, heat, hills, speed, etc all impact it. I have gotten everything from 0 to 5 miles in a day (that last one has only happened very rarely), I do notice more electric range when its sunny, but exact miles to percentages is all over. So I wouldn't panic, it clearly is working, but trying to do fine grain detail in any system with as many environmental variables as a moving car is just a great way to go nuts. On average, I get roughly 50 miles a month by my own measurements from sun, give or take. Not anywhere near the hypothetical maximum. But still a free 'gallon of gas' a month or so!

    One thing that I myself wondered about was that I've seen the wattage go OVER 185 when driving in totally clear weather, the estimate was nearly 200 breifly. That surprised me, at first I thought something was wrong but others have reported the same. Jury is still out on the cause/meaning.
     
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    Have you ever noted what percentage of charge increase you saw? I want someone else to verify what they see there.
     
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    I did an exactly two-hour test for you with my vehicle:

    MID display for solar showed "Power Generated" of 1.0 mile "Since Vehicle Turned OFF"
    MID display of battery percentage which Toyota calls "EV Energy Remaining" went up from 28% to 29%
    Multimedia Vehicle>Solar>Energy showed "Power Generated" of 244wH over the two hours.

    OBD2 data taken at start and end showed Hybrid Battery State of Charge (SOC) went up from 36.47% to 38.43% (1.96%).

    Napkin math using actual electrical energy numbers (not percentages):

    With a nice round 10kWh of energy reserved by the vehicle for EV only use (it's actually higher) that 244wH provided a gain of 2.44%.

    Therefore, if one achieves 4.5 miles per kWh then 2.44% of that would be 1.1 miles of added range which nicely matches with the MID "Power Generated" figure of 1.0 miles (which I can only dream Toyota adjusted downward to include known losses).

    So, remains the case that using "EV Energy Remaining" percentage would not be advised for the solar math.
     
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    Thank you! You are the first person to reply with what I am hoping to see.

    To me, the thing that is the most notable from your data is that the percentage from the car (1%) doesn’t match what can be read on the OBD2 percentage (1.96%).

    Your number of 1% gained from the emery remaining is a very low precision compared to the OBD2 1.96%.

    May I ask, what OBD2 adapter and software are using to read your measuring values?
     
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    Also, can you please provide your particular OBD2 brand and if your device can remain plugged into your car when you turn it off.

    I’ve used an OBD2 device and been confused why the charged level didn’t match the cars percentage Now I realize it’s because the OBD2 lists the total charge including the buffer.
     
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