Idea: Low Coolant Sensor to Prevent Head Gasket Failure on Gen 4 Prius

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by PatrickL, Sep 19, 2025 at 8:54 PM.

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    idk what they are
     
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    Assuming a reasonable daily commute, I seriously doubt your logic. The weld that caused the issue doesn’t catastrophically break, but begins as a crack, that may grow over time. Now if someone has actually experienced the pipe having a sudden catastrophic and complete break or bursting I would be very surprised. And if such a break were to occur all the level monitoring in the universe wouldn’t do any good.
     
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    Another thought: install all these monitors to monitor coolant levels, brake fluid, oil levels, etc. to avoid that torturous task of popping the hood. Since that is such a pain, you better go with the camera and microphone to monitor for mice making a home under there too. Wait:! I have a better idea! Install a biological presence monitor to detect unauthorized life forms! Then you would know if someone was trying to remove your catalytic converter! But then, you’ll still have to check the air filter once in awhile. Darn. :rolleyes:
     
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    It might be. Some of those little cams have useful night vision built in. Couldn't say for the one I screenshotted- would be an experiment. But if you're going to wire in a little wifi camera to your underhood 12v supply, it would be trivial to also add a little LED taped to the opposite side of the reservoir so that it made a good contrast through the bottle and coolant (if any)
     
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    let's face it. most car owners don't ever check anything, and many dealers probably don't when it's in for service
     
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    hence the idea

    Mendel -- totally agree that fixing the leak source is the right answer.
    If there’s an EHRS/exhaust-side manufacturing defect (or any hard-part failure), that should be diagnosed and repaired. My point isn’t to avoid the fix; it’s to add a cheap early-warning layer so owners don’t learn about a leak only after the head gasket is cooked.

    Why an early-warning sensor still helps (even with known leak modes):

    • Leaks don’t announce themselves on a schedule. A pinhole that opens on a hot day, a failing cap, a hose clamp, a slow seep at the water pump--any of these can drain a reservoir long before a MIL or temp light fires.

    • MIL is late for level-loss. By the time the dash warns, the system may already be ingesting air and spiking temps under load. An earlier alert at the tank buys time to pull over and save the engine.

    • Complement, not substitute. Think of it like a smoke detector. It doesn’t fix wiring; it buys you time to keep a bad situation from becoming catastrophic.
    If EHRS defects are common, great--then we can be specific:
    If you’ve got a TSB/campaign/article that documents those weld failures on Gen 4, please link it. That actually strengthens the case for an early-warning kit: a known failure mode + a simple alert = fewer totaled engines while owners schedule the repair.

    Design thoughts to avoid false alarms (and slosh):

    • Dual-threshold + debounce: Trigger only when level is below a set point and remains low for, say, 10–20 seconds (ignores slosh).

    • Temperature gating: Only monitor when coolant is warmed (prevents “cold contraction” noise).

    • Self-test & fail-safe: Periodic test pulse; if sensor/wire fails, it warns “sensor fault” (not silent).

    • Non-invasive install: Float switch or capacitive probe at the reservoir, add-on buzzer/light in cabin. No CARB/EPA entanglement since it’s not emissions-control--just a warning.
    Who benefits:

    • People out of warranty, high-mileage drivers, rideshare/delivery folks (lots of heat cycles), and anyone far from a dealer. A $100–$200 kit that prevents a $3–$5k repair is basic risk management.
    Happy path (both/and, not either/or):

    1. Diagnose/repair the leak source (EHRS, pump, clamps, cap, hoses, HG, etc.).

    2. Add an early-warning level sensor so the next issue doesn’t escalate unseen.
    If you happen to have links or TSB refs on the EHRS issue, that’d be super helpful for owners and for calibrating the alert threshold.
     
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    exactly why it's brilliant
     
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    if you own a susceptible gen 4 that hasn't leaked yet, or are interested in buying one, it seems like a no brainer, as it is the number one issue on these models