Number crunching

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Leadfoot J. McCoalroller, Apr 22, 2022.

  1. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

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    her system quote claims 135% of usage, so that would help with the heat pump electrical usage.
    she's on natural gas, which is skyrocketing. so a price comparison would be interesting.
    either way, i will advise her to leave the furnace in place if possible.
     
  2. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    What utility company?
    To address this problem, make sure your battery can not be charged from the grid (an option) nor discharge into the grid (an option). In effect, the battery is only connected to the house load and never can load or return power to the grid. This means the battery can never be a load or source to the grid. But this assumes you are not "selling" your excess solar to the grid.

    Another work around is to have two EVs. One is used for daylight errands and the other is charged during the sunlight hours. The next day, swap the cars so the fully charged one runs errands and the 'drained' one takes the solar charge.

    Another option becoming more available is V-to-G converters. In effect, the EV (the utility doesn't have to know about) buffers the excess solar. However, this has to be 'engineered' just it may defer the forced transformer upgrade.

    My Huntsville utility had to be dragged to a permit to operate. So I lost about three months of solar because the "permit wasn't posted!" Part of the TVA system, they are NOT friends to home solar. Regardless, here are my specs:
    • 4.8 kW - peak solar production
    • 13 kWh battery - solar ONLY!
      • 5 kW max rate
      • no grid charging to battery
      • no grid discharging from battery
      • measured round-trip efficiency 86%
    • Significant loads
      • 7.5 kW - Tesla (44 kWh), derated to 3.7 kW but online adjustable.
      • 7.3 kW - BMW i3-REx (28 kWh), derated to 3.4 kW
    • Emergency power generator
      • 16 kW - only when grid is down and battery drained to 5% SOC
      • Does not charge solar battery
    In 2016, I upgraded from 100 A (25 kW) to 200 A (50 kW) service when transitioned from Prius to EVs. That was also when I added the 16 kW, emergency generator that is natural gas fueled.

    My November 1 to 19 metrics:
    • 339 kWh - solar production, saved $0.14/kWh (cost avoidance of high usage rate)
    • 217 kWh - grid production, $0.12/kWh
    Bob Wilson
     
    #522 bwilson4web, Nov 20, 2025 at 6:03 AM
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  3. Leadfoot J. McCoalroller

    Leadfoot J. McCoalroller Senior Member

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    We paid a little too much for our heat last year when we were proving out the heat pumps. They worked as advertised, but we could've saved a few bucks by burning oil for a few weeks.

    So this year we expect to fire up the oil boiler sometime in January and shut it down around March 1 and see how that works out as a hybrid system.