2013 Prius Misfire

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  1. WICruiser

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    I have been soaking it in a bucket of hot water and soap solution for a day or so, replacing the solution periodically (working around other obligations) and it seems to be helping. At least now the solution will drain through although slower than I think it should.

    Head gasket, timing chain, etc. parts should be delivered today so I am hoping to have the cooler ready to reinstall tomorrow or the next day depending on how quickly I get that far on assembly.

    I suspected that hot EGR was not a good idea so I am not surprised that is not a path anyone should take. I think that a plugged cooler is different than the typical EGR delete by un-pluging the valve in part because I suspect when the system detects the EGR malfunction it changes the engine calibration.

    I suspect that the head gasket leak was raising coolant temperatures, just not enough to trigger the overheat warning further accelerating the failure. I had been atributing the pressure in the coolant system after shut down to normal system pressure but after reflection suspect that the head gasket leak was adding pressure to the cooling system. I believe the head gasket failure was basically allowing combustion pressure to leak into the cooling system during engine operation, then allowing coolant to enter the combustion chamber when the engine was off. Each time the engine started (either cold or during normal hydrid off-on cycling) the engine would misfire due to the coolant in that cylinder. Not enough coolant to cause white smoke or leak down into the engine oil but enough to cause the misfire.
     
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    You’re going to be quite a while like that. At least use something slightly more caustic, say Oxi-Clean Versatile Stain Remover, a powdered laundry additive, in solution.

    instead of a bucket full, put a #4 stopper in the smaller end hole, fill with solution (about a cup), and prop up in corner of laundry sink. Let sit about an hour, rinse, repeat as needed.

    or sub KOH solution, with appropriate caution:

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    I’m actually planning to use the latter today, on the stainless steel mesh biscuits in my moroso 85474 air/oil separators, will post the outcome.



    the intake manifold’s off, and the stainless steel pipe between EGR valve and IM, so I might try the KOH solution on the pipe as well. It’s got a modest carbon build-up (cleaned EGR system about 3 years back), and I’m curious how KOH will do.

    addendum: have the Moroso stainless steel mesh biscuits soaking in a 10% by weight solution. Looks like they cleaned up almost immediately, but I’ll leave it to soak while we walk our pup. Wore gloves and eye protection, and have exhaust fan on high speed. :)
     
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    The "soap" I am using is a soda laundry additive powder but I understand the problem of dilution that I have using the bucket method. It is doing something just not getting down into the length of those small channels. I started the bucket approach because we were going to be gone most of the day yesterday but I now realize that I need to get more agresive/concentrated. My wife suggested using vinigar rather than water so a combination of that with the more agressive rather than bucket method may be next.

    I may also devise a means to hold the cooler so that I can use my pressure washer to get more pressure than I can generate with my air compressor. I don't have a way to connect the pressure washer to hot water but I have read some reports that a pressure washer is the way to go.

    Parts delivery hasn't happened yet and tomorrow morning is busy with other priorities so it may be tomorrow afternoon before I get to start reassembly.
     
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    Mixing acid with an alkaline cleaner could become an interesting chemistry experiment.
     
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    This was 10% KOH solution by weight. The main object was cleaning out my dual oil catch cans, but since I had it off, thought I’d try it in the EGR pipe as well. 20% would be better I think.

    this was within a minute or so:

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    I found that Purple Power does a significantly better job on the cooler than other things that I have tried. I soaked the inside of the cooler (one end plugged) with Purple Power for a few hours and then followed by blasting through the cooler with my pressure washer. After that I could actually see light through the cooler for the first time. Doing some additional soaks with Purple Power and it continues to result in a very dark black residue flushing out when the plug is removed. I plan to rinse it out with hot water then blow it dry with air from my compressor before pressure testing the coolant passages and installing.
     
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    Trying to start engine to evaluate the head gasket job and nothing other than a warning message to check the hybrid system? I disconnected the 12v battery for a while (actually charged the battery with the negative disconnected0 but when I reconnected no change. I had pulled the hybrid "fuse" during the engine project and reinstalled it, not sure if that is related.

    I'm sure it something simple but what?
     
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    Normally the orange hybrid disconnect is just pushed in but not slid closed to engage. Prius battery hv disconnect.jpeg
     
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    Okay, engine started (not sure what I may have done other than I did engage the hybrid system key) but still have the hybrid system warning message? With the engine running it shows the hybrid battery at about 90% charged with power going from the engine to the battery (as expected).

    I don't have the cowl panel and the wiper parts in place so I can check for coolant leaks but also can not drive it anywhere at this point.

    I was hoping to run it long enough to get the thermostat to open but it shuts off so I guess I need to put the panel and wiper parts in place to be able to drive it. I'm not sure what to do about the Hybrid system warning as there was no problem prior to the engine work being done.
     
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    What are the codes?

    Does it run more than 15 seconds? If so, how long?
     
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    Maintenance Mode
    Continuously Idle Engine

    1. Press Start button 2 times without Brake
    (ignition On)

    2. Press Gas Pedal 2 times

    3. Press brake and shift to Neutral

    4. Press Gas Pedal 2 times

    5. Press Park

    6. Press Gas Pedal 2 times
    (hybrid warning light will start flashing)

    7. Press Brake and Start button
    (starts engine, shutdown returns to normal)


    Cliff Notes:
    Ignition Mode, 2Gas, Neutral, 2Gas, Park, 2Gas, Start Engine
     
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    Reminder, from one who suffered.

    I read all these descriptions of what people are doing to clean the EGR. Pressure washer?!! I was no where that radical, just drain cleaner over a #4 stopper and some gentle prodding with a very fine piano wire. No drills or crazy stuff. I performed this to a used EGR that went onto a 2011 Prius four years ago. Its going strong. I performed the exact same procedure to the 2011 EGR, then put it on our 2014.

    Coolant leaked out of the EGR, blew the HG and who knows what else.

    Moral: ALWAYS test a used EGR cooler, even one previously known to be functional after cleaning.

    I suspect that the 2011 cooler was "terminal" when I cleaned it and leaks opened up. No way to prove this, as I only tested for leaks AFTER I was blowing white smoke from the exhaust. Or some other event took out the exhaust heat recovery circuit at the same moment.

    Anyhow -- NEVER EVER put a cleaned EGR cooler back in without some sort of test (Mine was so blown that plugging all coolant holes but one with my finger and a good blow from my lungs revealed a nasty leak.......) Maybe too my cleaned EGR would not have tested bad, but the moment the fatigued fins had pressurized coolant, they cracked open........ Who knows......