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  1. bwilson4web

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    I have no pleasure in reporting this news but I was able to see it at the first Munro Associates, open house. This is the death rattle somewhere:

    • Detroit MBAs - at the first open house, there were three distinct groups;
      • new business engineers and managers - they were taking furious notes because they’d never heard these lessons before
      • old school Detroit - there to recall past acquaintances with Sandy but more like patting the red headed stepson on the head.
      • Amen chorus - me
    • China standing room only - the exact lectures Detroit treated as amusing were attended in Asia SOLD OUT and in China, shared with everyone who stood outside. They were taking notes furiously
    I know it is popular to claim China stole our patents and intellectual property. But the most important was how to unleash engineering skills and manufacturing discipline that Sandy taught and Musk occasionally exhibits.

    China is ascending because they learned how to unleash their technologists while Detroit got MBAs and sabotaging purchasing departments. Instead of competing, Detroit “outsourced” themselves into oblivion.

    Ford seems less bad with an adroit redirection of their EV battery section. But as for the rest, “burning down the house.”

    I don’t have an answer but feel more the frustration of Casandra who knew the future only to be patronized into oblivion.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Getting an MBA degree sadly does more to encourage white collar criminals than it does to actually benefit society in the way people with an engineering degree can do... And the US has been declining a long time in that regard:

    A 2005 New York Times story reported that more than 600,000 engineers graduated from Chinese institutions compared to 70,000 in the United States — that's the number that got widely circulated a decade-plus ago. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5478159

    China now graduates roughly 1.3 million engineers per year versus about 130,000 in the United States — a roughly 10-to-1 gap. Some analysts put it even higher, at 1.38 million Chinese engineering graduates annually, about seven times the U.S. figure. China graduates 1.3 million engineers per year, versus just 130,000 in the U.S. We need AI to bridge the gap | Fortune
     
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    I hope they can all find jobs
     
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    How often has an engineer told you that they can't find work?
     
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    At age 76, I am effectively unemployable. But I got to spend more time with my late, homebound wife. Now I just natter around in the time remaining. . . doing what interests me.

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    At the rate I'm going, I certainly hope I'm still employable at 76 because I'm going to have to still be working by then.

    One thing that affects the job market is the same principal of supply and demand that affects everything else. If the number of engineers suddenly doubled then the average salary of an engineer would go down. And keep in mind that this is a global market, so while governments can try to implement protectionism to keep their workers with the same salaries, in the end the cost-effectiveness of having a glut of skilled workers elsewhere eventually filters in and makes such skills less lucrative in all countries.

    The exception is unless it's the type of skilled job that has to be done locally, then it's dependent only on the local job market. Basically, if you want a lucrative career, you need to find something that is desperately needed that no one else can do or wants to do.
     
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    All of my immediate family (parents and brothers) went into medicine. Always in demand.

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    ^ Yep; talked my nieces and nephews into healthcare careers. They're all doing great and have a job waiting for them. Great portability too and chances of getting outsourced is slim to null. There are many facids to a healthcare vocation - NOT just nurses and doctors; also support staff, PT, facilities to support the infrastructure.

    I've seen the outsourcing thing; up close and personnel - but most staff are too stupid to realize that they're basically giving away their own jobs. I've had department managers and facility directors invite me to lunch at very fancy restaurants; after I've retired. They would ask me how to resolve issues of inflated cost and lower equipment up-time trends in their spreadsheets that didn't exists, before I retired. Told them to sign maintenance contracts with minimum up-time guarantees and penalties for the critical equipment - That's what I would do to ensure operational readiness. Tell that department(s) that they have 3 years to clean house or effectively be replaced with contractors that can actually do the job on-budget and on-time. The cost of those maintenance contracts would be the yard-stick that they should easily beat - otherwise, they're just a parasite on the facilities operating budget. The spreadsheet already shows the pattern of mismanagement.

    YMMV
     
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    Behind a paywall.
     
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    when us boomers die off, there will be a glut of medical people.

    or maybe there won't be a shortage
     
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    I wouldn't worry about it; because AI is suppose to solve everything and Skynet will have it's way with us.o_O;):whistle::cry: :ROFLMAO::LOL:
     
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    As a grad student, I was offered a year of an interdisciplinary venture with the university's business school, where the idea was to bring grad students in the sciences together with MBA students from the b-school, so the geeks could learn about marketing and financing and stuff, and the MBAs could learn about practices and ethics of research and so on.

    Anyway, we had a special session one day when the CEO of a tech startup was brought in to talk to us all for that hour. He told us a lot about how profitable the opportunity would be because (a) it would be really hard for competitors to figure out how they did it, and (b) it had been granted a patent.

    So I raised my hand and asked "if the patent's been granted, how can it still be hard for competitors to figure out? Don't they just read your patent disclosure?"

    And the dude smiled and said good lawyers can find lots of ways to write something that looks enough like a disclosure to get past the patent examiners, but still doesn't really disclose how the idea works.

    So I followed up with something like "so, you come to the table with the American people to make a deal, and you trade briefcases at the table, and you get home and open the briefcase from the American people and there's the genuine 20-year monopoly they promised you, and when the American people open the briefcase from you, they find rocks?"

    Dude's jaw muscles were working like no one had ever dared speak to him like that before, but all the MBAs in the room were rolling their eyes like "what kind of hippie geek even thinks of a question like that?".
     
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    That's how our drug industry works. :( They tweak a branch molecule - new and improved extended patent for another 20 years. Part of the reason drugs here are 2x-10x more expensive than anywhere else in the world.:censored:
     
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    A patent application and description is one thing. (Been there, done that, got it.) But the item that might be duplicated may be far more complex. (Ours was the product of around 100 staff years.)

    So duplicating may be a challenge.

    And the patented portion has to fit with lots of other bits of design for the thing to work in the real world.
     
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    I get that, sure. Only this guy was boasting about how the lawyers could word the patent disclosure for an idea so it didn't even disclose that idea. And it was like he expected all of us to yuk along with him.
     
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    And then they do clinical trials to "prove" that their new version works better than the one with an expired patent because their trials lowered the recommended dosage of the drug that lost the patent so they can assure everyone that the new version is better. People have written entire books about this scam.
     
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    So much about getting an MBA degree is based on learning the scams of some of the most immoral and vile billionaire's to ever live. They literally think they're smarter and better because they've "mastered" ways to make a fortune thieving from others hardwork even though the money they make is the opposite of contributing something of substance to society.

    The worst offenders are private equity groups that have forced up rents through collusion, or hostile takeovers of retail stores where they liquidate all the value and pay themselves with it and then dump all debt on the company so they can shut down and go bankrupt. Toys R Us, KB Toys, Payless Shoes, J Crew, Joann Fabrics, Gymboree, Red Lobster, Guitar Center, 99cent Only and many more were thriving viable businesses that no longer serve their loyal customers because some souless MBA destroyed them to make their private equity firms rich.

    Here's how they do it: Buy a retailer using borrowed money (secured against the retailer's own assets), pay yourself dividends or management fees out of the company's cash, starve it of capital for modernization, then walk away when it implodes. Ten out of the 14 largest retail chain bankruptcies since 2012 were at private equity-acquired chains, and among retailers that filed for Chapter 11 in 2016 and 2017, two-thirds were backed by private equity.

    Some day history will look back on these MBA criminals for who they really are!
     
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