Hot Water Heater Timers

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by JSH, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. John321

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    Nice unit - heat pumps are real money savers - your utility bill will look much different next month.

    Keep in mind many local utilities give you a rebate on your purchase for installing an energy efficient heat pump.
     
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    Unfortunately for me, an 'off the shelf' heat pump water heater won't fit in the basement where the heater currently is. There are mini-split type ones, but their rarity means much higher prices.
     
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    We're installing minisplit HVAC in 1/3 of the house next week, to take the $2k federal credit next year.

    Another minisplit HVAC in a different 1/3 of the house arrives in January to get that credit in a different tax year.

    We will put in the HP water heater sometime after that. Not clear if I can capture the credit the same year as either of the HVAC rigs.

    After that, my oil burner is strictly a backup system.
     
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    Got a quote on five mini splits, $35,000.
    We’ll probably stick with the window units unless I get motivated to try a diy system
     
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    If you have time-of-use electrical billing, a timer can help you reduce electrical water heating costs. My electricity triples in price between off-peak and on-peak. Be warned, if you keep the temp set too low you can get bacteria growth making it either stinky or even harmful for your health if you get Legionella growing. I use a timer to shut off the heat in peak periods and I set the water temperature at the high end 140oF

    If you don't use a lot of water then you won't save as much. YOU have to quantify how much water you use if you want to know how much you can save in water heating costs
     
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    There are some ridiculous State-level incentive programs available in Massachusetts, if that happens to be where you are installing these.
     
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    My older heat pump water heater (HPWH) as several built-in timers, but in my area, net-metered solar producers (like me) don't have TOU available yet. Not sure we'll ever get it without giving up full net metering.

    It would be nice if modern HPWHs would allow different temperature setpoints during separate timer periods. Set the temperature higher when electric prices are lowest, then set a lower temperature instead of OFF during the medium and higher cost periods, so that heated water doesn't run out on high demand days. Done right, the cheapest hot water should carry through most of the daily load.

    In my state, it is illegal for a manufacturer or installer or landlord to set an individual residential tank temperature higher than 120℉, unless there is a mixing valve to prevent the water at the taps from exceeding that temperature. This is an anti-scald measure, intended to protect people who are not able-bodied adults. Mixing valves are not common around here, though I understand they are mandated in some other states.

    It remains perfectly legal of residents to turn up the temperature themselves. But when unit occupancy changes, the temperature must be turned back down. And central multi-family water heat systems not covered.

    My HPWH can't be set higher than 135℉, and even that might stress the heat pump portion. I set it up that high infrequently for special purposes, and only when switching to electric resistance (top element only, not bottom element).

    As for Legionella, various local sources indicate that 120℉ seems to be the minimum temperature to control it. I haven't been hearing any news of it being a problem in many years.