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  1. hill

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    same thing i do, but it's hard to define in words.

    i could be dramatic and say the equivelent of crv sales :)
     
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    In other words, this is how Honda and Toyota rationalize all their long-term re-tooling plans for all their factories, which were designed for ICE vehicles, while they watch Tesla build brand new EV factories in China & Europe in record time from ground breaking to production.... And Tesla only has to source 1 part for every 4 parts an ICE factory has to source. Meanwhile, the brand new factory in China is way ahead of schedule and already producing 1K vehicles a week!
     
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    yeah that won't happen until the model y and cyber truck are out and in mass volume production maybe 2023. That's 3 or 4 whole years ;-) I would bet the rav 4 with an optional phev drivetrain and the model Y and cyber truck will each individually sell more than the cr-v at that point in time.
     
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    FYI, that's about 1/24th as many vehicles as Toyota sells globally.
     
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    1/24 as many this year .... ⅛ as many in maybe 2 or 3yrs later .... then, 2 or 3 more years after that? ⅓ as many ..... makes one wonder at what point the Honda exec will say, "whoops!! golly! sure didn't see that coming".
    1/24 of GM's world-wide sales - once upon a time, were what Toyota strove to reach, & they did, & they kept on going. I'll bet the GM execs way back then, ½ century ago, regret poo poo'ing Toyota's growing sales numbers. In a similar vein, i read a preliminary water needs study for the German version of gigafactory, & based on planned usage, that factory may provide for up to as many as ¾ million traction packs/yr.
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    maybe their own electric grid makes them battery phobic, or perhaps they're just waiting for the tipping point, when they can jump in without losing money.

    or, maybe there will be no honda or toyota in 50 years. it's happened before
     
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    is that also per quarter?
     
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    Any way you do the math. Toyota delivered about 24 times that many vehicles in that same time (over 2.5 million per quarter).
     
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    You don't know that. You may be right, you may not.
     
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    They are waiting for hydrogen.
     
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    They were also waiting for the great result of December 7th, 1941 .... but of course nobody remembers how that went, nowadays. Turns out though, historians remind us - it was showing that Japan was actually waiting for something that was diametrically opposed from what they were actually - & hopefull waiting for.
    The turnaround, of electric versus hydrogen is in the same venue, imo.
    So very true. Tesla May simply, and completely, disappear over the next few years.
    However, and since history often repeats itself, I have a feeling that won't be the case..

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    Mr Frog, let me introduce you to boiling water 1 degree at a time.

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    Don't be cocky. BEV sales today are similar to HEV sales in 2005. If you look at 2000-2005, you see exponential growth. That fact doesn't mean it will continue, as HEV market share today is about what it was over the next two years - 2006-2007. That plateau could easily happen to EVs just like it did to HEVs.

    EVs will become dominant when they are better at everything (or almost everything) than conventional cars - cost, convenience, reliability, TCO, capabilities, etc. Currently, they aren't that - and won't be unless a battery breakthrough comes to market combined with a lot of new infrastructure. They still have half the range, twice the cost, 1/100th the fast-refueling infrastructure and 1/100th the refueling rate of conventional cars. Those are limitations that make them have difficulty expanding into the market. They have advantages too (mostly for those who can charge at home), but so do hybrids and those lack the disadvantages of EVs and they still didn't get above a few percent of market share.

    People who think EVs will be dominant in the market during the 2020s are kidding themselves, baring the major breakthroughs I mentioned above.

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    The overlooked reality is there were no tax-credits back then, only a tiny deduction... between $300 to $400 for most people.

    It wasn't until 2006 when the first tax-credit became available and its purpose wasn't to establish technology, as is with EV purchases. Purpose was to push hybrids into the mainstream.

    Now, PHEV is what ordinary consumers will embrace to fulfill plug-in interest. It's a best-of-both-worlds approach at a time when cost makes it directly competitive with the well-established choices.

    As much as people hope for strong growth among EV choices, its just not realistic for the masses. They have bigger fish to fry. Upgrading their home for recharging and trying get the most from electricity simply isn't a priority for them. They aren't the customers anyway. Automakers make money from dealers... who have other priorities too.

    We'll see a shift in 2020. Change is slow though and there are many forces working against electrification of any type.
     
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    voldemort?
     
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    I've never heard this word before. Seems to be a fictional character if capitalized, if that's what you meant. Can someone explain what this post means?
     
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    one of the many forces at work against electrification
     
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    To me and based that my son works at Gigafactory 1, Tesla is first and foremost a battery company that happens to make cars :)

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    That being said, Tesla probably would not still be around if they did not sell cars. Panasonic makes their batteries...
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