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150,000 mile service cost?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by romad, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. romad

    romad 2004 Prīus Base Former Owner (Sold 13 May 22)

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    This is the same service as the 30/60/90/120000 mile services with the addition of replacing the engine & inverter coolants, and the spark plugs.

    I'm in California so, of course, the cost here will be higher than in the other states!
     
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    dealer? $1,500.
     
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  3. romad

    romad 2004 Prīus Base Former Owner (Sold 13 May 22)

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    bisco, that is for Boston, correct? If so, then it is probably close to CA prices.
     
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    i'm just guessing, but dealers are expensive, and yes, cali, ny, boston among the highest, like everything else.
    is it worth it to drive down to luscious or art's? i don't know if they would be cheaper.
     
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  5. romad

    romad 2004 Prīus Base Former Owner (Sold 13 May 22)

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    Got an estimate on the 150K service from my local dealer: approximately $453. I told them to ignore the cabin & engine air filters as I did those myself. It is scheduled for Wednesday, Nov 22nd and takes about half a day.
     
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    That estimate is a very good price. I'd suspect they're going to skip the proper brake inspection to achieve it. Anyway, here's my thoughts:

    30K service (and I assume 60K, 90K and so on, per OP) entails:

    1. oil and filter change
    2. tire rotation
    3. cabin and engine air filter replacement (OP says he will do this)
    4. Cursory inspection of various items, that doesn't really happen
    5. In-depth inspection of front and rear brakes (this is not the cursory visual inspection)

    Plus:

    6. change engine and inverter coolant
    7. replace spark plugs (Denso SK16R11 or NGK 1FR5A11) (4-pack of denso for around $32 on Amazon USA)

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    This what the 150,000 mile service entails; *I already replaced both air filters

    Replace engine oil and oil filter
    Inspect and adjust all fluid levels
    Rotate tires
    Visual inspect brake pads/discs
    Replace cabin air filter*
    Replace engine air filter*
    Inspect transaxle fluid
    Replace engine/Inverter coolant
    Inspect ball joints & dust covers
    Inspect drive shaft boots
    Inspect exhaust system
    Inspect radiator & condenser
    Inspect steering gear box
    Inspect steering linkage & boots
    Inspect fuel lines, tank & vent
    Inspect fuel tank cap gasket
    Replace spark plugs

    As you can see, the main differences between it and a 5,000 mile service are the air filters, inverter coolant, and spark plug replacements; the "inspections" starting with the brake pads/discs are done every 15,000 miles. The spark plugs are a CA/MA/ME/NY/VT interval; for cars sold outside those states they are to be changed every 120,000 miles.

    What I am curious about is after the inspections: what will they try to tell me replacement is needed and how much?
     
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    The brake inspection at 30k etc is different than the usual "visual" inspection. Double check your booklet.
     
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    Ah, I see what I did: when I used your spreadsheet layout last year, I merged the two brake inspection rows into one. I did, however, have the thickness and runout footnote on the 30,000 intervals. I overlooked the footnote in my post above.
     
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    Here is a checklist I made up for the 150K service. The four numbered notes are right out of the 2004 Scheduled Maintenance Guide.
     

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    seems like a good price! i don't understand spark plugs. i thought they were 120k. in those states, it is extended to 150?
     
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    Yes, in California, Massachusetts, Maine, New York, & Vermont the PZEV Prius plugs last 150,000 miles. I'm guessing that if you re-register the car outside those states and you're over 120,000 but under 150,000 miles, the plugs are programmed to immediately fail. :D Alternately, a lower quality plug is used in the other states instead of the GOOD ones used in the 5 above states.
     
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    Denso rates the Iridium spark plugs to last 120,000 miles. Although they do not state it, it can be assumed 120,000 miles was based on a conventional engine that is always firing when it is ON. A hybrid, obviously fires the ICE as needed. 120,000 miles on a Hybrid engine is not the same as 120,000 miles on a conventional always-on ICE; Hybrid ICE is easier on the plugs, b/c the ICE is not always firing.

    Patrick best answered the same question we had: CARB= 150K miles change interval vs non-CARB=120K mile change interval.

    Wondering what the savings would be if extended the change to 150,000 miles.
    I paid $34.92 for 4 Denso Iridium plugs, when I changed them out.
    Cost per mile:
    $34.92/120,000 miles = $.000291/mile
    $34.92/150,000 miles = $.0002328/mile​
    Cost Savings if extend change to 150,000 miles:
    $.000291 - $.0002328 = $.0000582/mile * 30,000 miles = $1.75 savings.
    Just change at 120,000 miles, or some time shortly after.​
     
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    I would say the opposite on the cost for the service. They really are not doing anything except inspecting. If the plugs have not been changed, do it yourself in 20 minutes. Replace the coolant if it has not been and just keep doing oil changes. Just another dealer service rip off as I see it. Save your money as those "inspections" will turn into $1000 extra. ;)
    TomK
     
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    I agree with the conclusion to replace the spark plugs at 120K miles.

    I suggest two possible ways to compute the foregone savings by replacing at 120K miles instead of 150K miles using the numbers from post #13 above:

    1. $.0002328/mile * 30,000 miles not driven on the plugs due to early replacement = $6.98 foregone savings
    2. $34.92 * (interest rate that would have been earned over the time required to drive 30,000 miles) = some tiny number

    In any event the $ amount is trivial.
     
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    Yes, the price of the proverbial cup of coffee.
     
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    Actually about HALF the price of a cup of coffee here in the CPR! :D

    I'm at the age where my body tells me to quit crawling around on a concrete floor under cars! Unfortunately, this was reinforced when my QuickJack portable lift was stolen in September. :mad:
     
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    That reminds me: time to put the kettle on, commence a fry up, same time zone. :)
     
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