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Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by fixitguy, Apr 18, 2011.

  1. fixitguy

    fixitguy New Member

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    12v batt dead/HV battery symbol is ONE green Bar. ICE doesnt
    start. No codes. Did get battery module voltages from 14.4 [full charged down to 6.6v on many. No charge voltage in on position.
    Thats seems like inverter.
    Engine ECU [passanger floor?] Battery ECU ?
    yes on limited budget like all 200 million americans.
    Checking for HV connection corrision. Main battery almost out of the
    rig.
    Did get main battery red symbol..SOC I suppose.
    180,000 miles in oregon
    Pointers or tests help happily excepted. Lots of electronic/electrical
    experience so not afraid of swapping cells.
    Should ICE start with one battery bar showing?
    Thanks in advance!!
     
  2. seilerts

    seilerts Battery Curmudgeon

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    Any module that falls below 7.2V after being charged to full needs to be replaced. Best practice is to charge all 38 modules to full, wait a few days, and look for modules that have dropped by several .1's of a V compared to their peers. By 14.4V I assume you mean battery block voltage as measured by the ECU (two modules).

    What about the 12V? If it was sitting for several months, it is garbage. Have you replaced it, or at least removed it from the car and connected the terminals to a jump pack or a conventional flooded battery?
     
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    Welcome new poster. If not done yet, get a good 12-volt source connected before trying to start up again. My memory becomes vague, but I guess that one HV battery mark should be enough to spin up the engine.

    Seilerts is right about downward drift of block voltages. it is not the only problem they could present, but the others might not impede a tratup.

    Down the road from you in the SF bay area are two fine indie shops. Art's (Oakland) and Luscious garage (SF). They might, via email, be able to make some good suggestions.

    Keep us posted and don't get stung by that big battery!
     
  4. fixitguy

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    thanks guys!

    Yes Im working on charging the main.
    Have a big battery to use as boost. will measure current
    to estimate load at start up.
    Over and out!
    Will keep you posted.
    thanks
     
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    update

    pulled the batt and found #19 @ ZERO volts!! that excites me,
    hopefully the only reason it quit.. so am in the throws of finding gen2 batts to rebuild, will start charging the low cells. I may just replace
    4-6 of the weakest..
    But can get two batts for 625, gen2 even!! So that may be just the ticket. Am putting in a battery from a friends to top it off and
    confirm all the rest of my hardware is OK!!
    Happy Easter!!:)
     
  6. seilerts

    seilerts Battery Curmudgeon

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    That's a good price for two Gen II batteries. Sounds like you've got it under control.
     
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    Re: update

    A great idea to swap batteries to confirm that no other hybrid system issues exist.

    Regarding "replace 4-6 of the weakest", if you are going to use G2 traction battery modules I believe you will find that the battery terminals come out of the case at a different height vs. G1 battery modules. Hence if you want to use G2 modules you'll have to install 38 - or else modify the orange bus bars which will probably result in increased internal resistance.
     
  8. fixitguy

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    charged cells today @ 500 MA they came up well to 14.4. will check to see what they are tomorrow.
    heres the list in pairs

    13.45
    13.20
    12.7
    12.3
    11.1
    11.3
    11.46
    11.45
    10.66
    0 yes zero #19 is zero!!
    10.24
    9.95
    10.26
    10.45
    10.48
    9.35
    11.25
    12
    12.6
    I did record EACH cell, 11 are below 5v....but they did recharge
    well it seemed.
    over and out
     

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    Even after recharging the modules, you may find that under load, they will not hold up. There's so much variance among the voltage measurements that I believe you will be better off planning to replace all 38 modules. Good luck.
     
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    For the block at 0V, are both modules 0V?

    Reusability really depends. The gold standard for reconditioning is 3x discharge + charge cycles, e.g. discharge to 6V at 1-5 amps, charge to -dV/dt at 5-7 amps. Some outfits go 5 complete cycles. Plus, have a way to measure the amp hour discharge and see if it is anywhere close to 6.5 amp hours on the final round. This requires a smart charger for automation. If you are hoping to get another 10 years out of the battery, then reconditioning is pretty much mandatory. If you just want a few more years, then a quick charge and module replacement might just work. If it doesn't, then you have the benefit of already knowing what you need to do and how to do it.

    Even if you are charging at a low 500 mA, you should be able to get module pairs over 16V. At 14.4V with 500 mA of charging current, they are still near full discharge. However, it ought to be enough to crank the ICE.
     
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    Just one module is bad #19 ..Have to find one to make it go!!
    Testing car with other battery to confirm inverter and all is still OK..

    So if its a 7.2 battery I should charge to 8 volts??..question the "rating" is 7.2v 6.5 AMPHRs
    But doesnt the prius want to keep it between 20-80%.

    So what is "normal" range for total battery voltage 274, but if 16v x 19 pair = 307 or so..?
    I know its up and down all the time...
    thanks!
     
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    Get on ebay. There are two sellers of Gen I modules: Taylor Automotive (tautomotive) in NC , and Battery Boy (tedb8) in Healdsburg, CA. The latter are a little more expensive but have been reconditioned, and there is direct contact info if ebay isn't an option.

    The batteries are rated for an average of 7.2V at 6.5 amps during discharge. I see them well over 9V when being charged at 5 amps, and still over 8V after resting for a few days.
     
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    on the road again!!

    read the codes, determined battery ECU wasnt charging the BIG
    battery. found one in TX and also an HV ECU for $35. They shipped
    2 HV ECU.. got refund on that half.. 2 day shipped from a different wrecker from carparts.com. Installed $125 battery ECU and
    most importantly while test, tighten a hold down bolt from the battery case to ground it. I was getting strange codes.. put in the bolt
    clear the codes ALL is well!!
    Check charge voltage at the cable on the front of the battery under the back seat 280-330V !! So its now charging the big battery too..
    Started with 1 blue bar on display, in a few minutes up to half!! YES,
    .4 miles down the road back to 3.4 full. Code reader says like 53% SOC.

    So when the battery ECU died, it quit charging the drive battery.
    Battery got down to like 6V on a few cells and all motion quit.
    Well except my wifes mouth who called and told me the car stopped!!
    Tow home
    start dianostics.... pull battery /charge battery/read codes/find ECU/ R and R ECU. A happy ending.. will be interesting to see how it is today!!
     
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    Yay! A happy wife and a working Prius!
     
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    I know it's been awhile.. Waking thhis post from the dead.. I hope to revive a classic prius...
    My wifes prius died.. 12v was dead.. and no bars on HV battery..
    I put a new 12v in.. will not go to ready.. blinking gas guage.. no bars on HV in the screen...

    So your HV ecu was the culprit? and the HV charged again?
     
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    if you have a blinking gas gauge, no bars on HV bars on the screen and it won't go into ready mode, means there is a super good chance that someone ran the car out of fuel and drained the HV battery while still driving the car with no gas.

    Best of luck.