2001 shuttering to start, won't move in drive.

Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by C Clay, Jul 18, 2014.

  1. bwilson4web

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    Jump start the car and disconnect. As the car runs, measure the 12V voltage. If it is 13.8-13.9V from the DC-to-DC converter that charges the 12V, drive home but have the jumper car follow.

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    Thanks for responding- yes I was getting like 11.3 to 12.3 on the scanguage readings while I was trying to start the car.
     
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    We are still not at running status yet since the car died after driving in the heavy rain. I've left it there and just try to resurect it every couple of weeks. I have the ca$h now to fix this so I'm back to figuring out how to get it running (and I mean running to a garage closer to my home.)
     
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    That's not what I mean. There is a scangauge XGAUGE for retrieving the State-of-Charge of the traction battery - the 274 volt one. Have you ever programmed any XGAUGEs into your scangauge? You would remember if you had - it's like trying to send a text message of like 40 numbers and letters using an old flip phone with four buttons. The only good thing about it is only having to do it once.

    You can give each XGAUGE whatever name you want, but if you stuck with the suggestions, that one would be named "soc". It reads in a percentage, usually around 60, normally not below 40 or above 80. This number will go down with every unsuccessful attempt you make to start your car, and when it gets down below 20% or so, you won't be making any more attempts, successful or not.

    It wouldn't be a bad idea to check what it is right now.

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    I have used those codes- I used one for lean fuel mixture as I recall. But I believe you are right, perhaps that was the only one. Best post I've read all day. I do need to do this!
     
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    Thanks for your help gentlemen- I have been reading all over this site tonight and am chomping at the bit for warmer weather for one last attempt before I tow. When it is all said and done... will we ever find the answer as to what is happening after/during heavy rain to get me here??
     
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    Post 145 still strikes me as being on the table, no?

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    Yes, very much so. So let's spin the table around here a bit. If your daughter called you from college and she said she though water got in the fuel tank- wouldn't HEET or Seafoam solve the issue or least get it to start, maybe run rough? That's what we've done. Even added 5 gallons since I could drain it. Adding may not have been smart- I don't know, I just thought it would decrease the water/fuel ratio.
     
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    I'll have to defer and hope somebody chimes in who's dealt with wet fuel IRL. I'm sure it can cause misfires in certain proportions, and stuff like HEET helps (again in certain proportions), but I just don't have any experience with what the limits are.

    If it were me, I would probably want to satisfy myself about whether wet fuel even was or wasn't the problem, by getting some to pump out of the fuel rail into a glass and letting it stand to see if it separates. But actually getting to the right connections to complete that test is a knucklescraping PITA....

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    Latest updates. I cleaned the throttle body a little today it is nice and sunny for once. I put in the xguage for SOC and I believe it has ran different things that i cant all fully recall but I do believe I looked down at it and it was 33%. I did get it to run perhaps longer than before- maybe 45 seconds. I'm now the proud owner of code 3120. I just wanted to chime in here for a moment and post. Probably towing this week.
     
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    Try and obtain the subcode (INF code) for 3120.
     
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    Sounds like a plan, C clay.
    Sorry to hear how things have progressed.
     
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    Thanks Eric! I'm looking at this thing thinking - 3rd battery in a year?!

    I should have read "who should and shouldn't buy a Prius" before I bought!


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    That was me, last night. Purchase + new exhaust + new front tires + new MFD (salvage, thankfully) + replaced cluster finish panel (broke when I did the MFD) = ~$7000 car that's worth damn near nothing, and has a power steering problem (which I can't get Toyota to address) to boot.

    I feel like I'm throwing good money after bad with this car.
     
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    Unless you work on the Gen1 yourself and have access to cheap salvage parts (or have a cheap mechanic that uses salvage parts) Gen1's are pretty much done at this point in time (June 2015). If you live in an area where dealer service is your only option I suggest you sell the car.

    They are all getting old and need lots of love to keep running happy.
     
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    Usually folks wait until after purchase to read my essay on who should own an NHW11.

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    It is too bad this thread did not have a good ending. I am having similar issues after a huge rain storm and suspecting water in the gas tank. I guess I will find out soon enough when I run the codes.
     
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    Well yea!


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    Let the record show that it just seems like the two times I've had shuttering, breakdown trouble seems like the two times I've had my oil changed now that I look back at a calendar. After a hybrid and 12v battery replacement and a drain of oil I've had no problems for two months.


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