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2005, Brake Cylinder Leaks, please help

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Seth4, May 28, 2018.

  1. Seth4

    Seth4 Junior Member

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    2 days ago my brakes became nearly entirely unresponsive. They only move a few inches and feel very useless. My red “BRAKE” light came on the dash as well as “ABS”. I have an appointment scheduled with my dealership but unfortunately due to the Sunday then Memorial Day timing I’ve had to wait. The morning after the issue occurred I checked under the car and the rear driver side wheel has a bad leak; I did not notice any other pooled fluid. Ive attached images of the issues.

    I decided today (Monday) to try to take it to a Firestone to get it assessed earlier than the dealership. They just got with me and said that both the rear brake cylinders are leaking, one worse than the other. And that it’s “saturated” and has messed up the brakes facility (he mentioned a drum) or something like that. And that their quote is $859.42. I don’t know if that’s even close to right. Does that sound like an accurate quote?
     

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    Unless firestone has the equipment to properly bleed the brakes afterwards, you're probably going to need a more hybrid specialist to do this.
     
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    How "handy" are you? Have you ever done mechanical work on cars before? IF you have, then repair is pretty straightforward.
    • Replace the brake cylinder
    • Replace the brake shoes. (In the past when I've had brake cylinders leak I've only replaced the brake shoes when they were worn. If the shoes were good, I've just let the brakes heat and boil off the fluid with use. )
    I would suggest getting a Prius aware scanner and the Tech Stream available on eBay. You're going to need to bleed the brakes once you've replaced the rear cylinder. When I did this job, I used a Hand Held Toyota Scanner to turn the brake fluid accumulator on and off. This lets you pressurize the brake lines and not throw a lot of error codes. That scanner is pricey. But you can do the same thing for cheap with the cheaper TechStream systems run on a laptop.

    If you go the DIY route, then the car will be down while you accumulate the parts and scanner and software as well as the repair time.

    As for the quote, yes, this does seem fair. They've got a lot of overhead to pay for. If you look up parts at an auto parts store and double the price, that's about what you'd pay for the parts at a shop, and then pile on the labor and shop fee costs. It all adds up quickly. As JC91006 mentioned, the shop MUST be able to deal with the Prius brake fluid accumulator to properly do the job.
     
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    I’ve got an appointment with my dealership in the morning. This was just in the hopes of getting an assessment and fix. I think they’re trying to get more because I feel like the brake fluid that is on the drum and brakes; could be cleaned off once the cylinders are replaced and the leak is stopped. Also I only noticed one leak.

    However the people at Firestone are pretty much refusing to only do the cylinders because they think it’ll be redundant and the car will still be unsafe. Although the fluid should dry up, evaporate or be able to be cleaned off. So I can’t afford a whole brake repair and I’m going to go to Toyota to get it checked as well.
     
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    I am not good with repairing and I need the repairs done ASAP honestly. This is all so horrible it makes me want to cry.
     
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    Not to be one to ruin your memorial day, but If you think the firestone quote will make you wanna cry, the dealer one is really going to sting even more. On top of that, they'll help point out more problems that would require attention
     
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    Yep, you're not going to like the Dealer quote. Again, JC91006 has the Dealer pegged. You'll likely not get out with your bank account intact. Honesty is a big word, one that has many meanings at a dealership. They don't call them "stealerships" for nothing. Is it honest to upcharge and point out everything wrong with your 13 (almost 14) year old car? Sure it is honest, they're there to make a buck. How much they make depends on how much they can frighten you. You become frightened because they say "The car won't last much longer without this repair" or "We can't let it back on the road unrepaired, it's a safety hazard."

    So then you've got decisions to make. You may want to just start becoming handy. Look at it this way, you'll pay one way or the other. You'll pay to have others do the job in earnings, savings, etc., that you're probably not prepared to pay. The biggest factor here is fear, fear of messing up the job and likely crashing the car. So let me suggest an alternative.

    Can you rent a car or borrow a beater, ride a bike, etc., while the Prius is being repaired? If so, the time issue is solved. You'll be able to rent a car for less than the repair bill from the dealer.

    Next comes tools and experience. Do you have a good friend or relative that would be willing to guide you in this repair? If so, then heck, use them if they're willing to help.

    Parts are easily bought off the internet, or at your local auto parts stores for a whole lot less. What costs $100 at the dealer is about $25 to $35 at the auto parts stores.

    If you don't DIY you're stuck with paying someone else what you can do yourself with
    • a little effort,
    • a few tools and
    • a manual.
    You'll build a few skills that can never be taken away and have the satisfaction of knowing you didn't pay the dealer the cost of repair and saved money.

    Give it some thought. It's your car, it's your time, it's your money, and of course, it's your decision.
     
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    I really appreciate your patience and the thought you put into this. It means a lot but unfortunately at the moment home repair isn’t really an option; you’re completely right and I agree though. I’ll refer back to your posts in the future as inspiration and a resource.
     
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    What happened so far? did you fixed it?