2005 vs 2006 audio aux in possibilities

Last night, while at Mark Jacobson Toyota in Durham NC where I purchased
my 2005 package 4, I asked the parts man to pull the 2006 parts diagram and
show me the aux input location (it's in the rear of the center console) and the
cable and part number and how I might order it later and retrofit my 2005.

First of all, I know all about all the third party interfaces that let you use RDS
data to control an XM Radio Tuner or Ipod using the mfd and steering wheel
controls. I am not convinced they are being priced at what I should agree to pay
YET.
I am a tech and I realize that R&D has to be paid for but I only REALLY NEED an
aux input for my XM Radio. Actually leaving my little Roady II in view all the time
with the information on the screen is a good option for me. I would like to be able
to use the MFD later, but not at the prices I see for the interfaces at this point in
their development. Leaving the Roady II screen available at a glance has it's advantages.

So, I looked at the diagram and we looked at the connector (S30) part number 82824-21030 (may be plug only, no cable). It is a 4 pin plug that goes into the
rear of the Radio. Now, I don't know, since I have never seen a real block
diagram of my radio (Standard AM FM single CD player), if my radio has the
same plug as this 2006 Prius has. I do believe the one we were looking at had the
cd changer. But here is the question to some of you who may have looked at
this problem more carefully:

I don't care about the MFD, I want at this time only to have an AUX input to
my standard radio to take the output of my Roady II. I detest the modulator
method I am currently using. Don't want to use a modulator in ANY fashion.

I want to find that connector S30, order it, and wire my aux input. It's just left/right audio and left/right ground.

BUT....how do I switch to it. Does the new 2006 radio have some additional
switch on the panel to change to that new aux input in the console, or does
the radio sense it some way, if a device is connected?
Please, someone talk about this from a standpoint of having seen the new
input ON THE CAR and having a little knowledge about the thing.
I understand 2006 Prius models are now on the west coast being delivered.
How about a knowledgeable salesman logging on here and going out to the lot
and inputing his Ipod or something like a little CD player into that aux input
and tell us how it is switched?
Four contacts, left/right audio, left/right ground...that's all I need. Even if I
can't find the plug, I can hard wire a the four pins and bring two rca females
out for my Roady II. If needed, maybe some of us can get a schematic of
the radio and wire a dtdp switch to change to the input. I would assume, if the Toyota engineers wanted to make this thing universal, they have added a sensing circuit to automatically switch to the aux input if something is connected....lets hope.

So it's simple...does the 2005 have the socket for the connector....and does it
sense a connection?
I was also told that Panasonic made the single cd am fm radio, information I
think is in error, but can anyone confirm the manufacturer of the single cd
am fm radio in the 2005 and 2006?

Thanks
Rod, who is at this time only looking for a reasonable connection method without MFD involvement.
2005 Tideland Pearl Package 4

 

DanMan,
I also posted under castlecain id on Priusonline.com the following information
I gained from a link either on xmradio.com or crutchfield.com. I can't remember now which, but it concerned the XM1000D XM and TURK tuners paired with one of
several adaptors specific to certain manufacturers like Panasonic , Pioneer, Alpine, and others. It seems to be an announcement of an intelligent adaptor, which
according to the prices posted for the radio specific adaptors, may sell for under
100.00. For finding these on the internet, they are red in colour and have the same flange mounting case as soome of the Coastal Tech video boxes.
However, for anyone looking, here is the "news" release text:

From the Crutchfield website, TURK and XM:
January 2006 Be on the lookout for our XM
Direct RDS Smart Digital Adapter coming soon in early Q1 2006. RDS Stands for Radio Data Service which is a technology that allows information such as the FM Station ID, Artist and Song title, to be fed into vehicle stereos that support RDS. We have developed an RDS compatible SDA that will allow integration of our XMD1000 universal receiver to factory equipped OE and aftermarket car stereos which are RDS enabled.

Now, wouldn't it be nice if some tech connected with this company which
manufactures these radio specific devices, would come on here....probably
one of them owns a Prius....and tell us about this!

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DanMan,
Thanks for looking at my post and commenting. However, I may have misled
some in the purpose of my post about the SMART ADAPTOR. The adaptor, from what
I understand, is an affordable INTERFACE, not FM modulator type, but a hard wired
interface for specific radios. There have been several specific one's available for
quite some time, but the new one, the new SMART adaptor, will probably ship
with a specific interconnect to the radio, and it may LEARN the radio interconnect
specifications. Therefore only one "Smart" adaptor need be manufactured, with
the utilization of many specific cables and plugs for many radio's. You then order the SMART ADAPTOR, with a specific cable and plug for the Prius.
Anyway, check these sites. I have since learned this is an AUDIOVOX device,
and can be seen with complete press release and specifics here for use with the Terk or Audiovox
or XM model XM1000D Tuner, which I have. The tuner, as I ordered it, has no head unit, it is designed to integrate with specific radios. I bought my tuner for 49.00 with a 50.00 rebate in anticipation of using it with my Prius when adaptors are more available. From the press release, it sounds like a direct connect device. I can
also use an XM Commander head with this unit if it turns out I can't interface it
directly to the radio with the new smart adaptor coming in 2006. I will then order a PAC device for it, and utilize it as a pure audio input, or I will order the VAIS unit to intergate it.
The XM1000D is
exactly the same tuner used in the complete XM Commander kit, less the head
display. So, since I wasted no money in my purchase, I have just put it back and
will wait a month or so for more information. I may buy one of the interface units
such as the VAIS, but, I may not, or, I may just buy a PAC aux interface unit
or one of the others and use my RoadyII. Again, these seem to be hard wired
solutions, and sell for 50.00 or less.
Check these sites:

http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/audiovo...aptor.html#more

http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...oductId=&brand=

And this page showes some of the older specific integration by Audiovox that has been on
the market for awhile, does not show the SMART ADAPTOR which is not out yet,
but will look the same as the red coloured ones:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-UFSZUaktfR0/c...=FFService%7CXM

And lastly, here is a site which is selling the nomenclature "SMART ADAPTOR"
now but as I read the press release, a new one is coming which will be a
UNIVERSAL SMART ADAPTOR.

http://www.sell2all.com/Terk-Technologies-...l_id116184.aspx

WHEEEEW, this should be my last post on this subject.....certainly should be if I am wrong......applause.....?

Thanks
Hope the information helps,
Rod

 

DanMan,
Sounds reasonable, but
I looked closely at all the cables illustrated with all the current adaptors
by Audiovox (what I can see in their particular resolution from
those websites), and can see no rf cable connections in any of them.
I was thinking they all connected to a port on a particular radio which
sends and receives data. Since the devices are currently for XM Radio
XM1000D,
they must allow data to pass for channel and song to display.
Remember, the XM1000D is a tuner only, no display.
Look at the Alpine radio models specified in this particular adaptor.
I see no RF connection, but instead a dedicated cable.

Here:

http://www.audiovox.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...14098&langId=-1

Again, I don't know
if the OEM radio for Prius is going to work with it, but the press release
certainly hints at many fits for auto manufacturers. I also don't understand from the press release how the xm radio will display but I assume it displays via a
number of channel presets like the fm function on my Prius now displays.
I.E., certain stations like 106.1 display the artist name and song title when the
song starts playing. An example for WRDU is: RDU BEATLES COME TOGETHER displayed one word at a time. Perhaps it will be somewhat like what the VAIS unit allows
in terms of 18 presets for xm. Perhaps the Smart Adaptor will also appear as
SAT 1 or SAT 2. I will continue to try to research any information on the technical
aspect of these adaptors, but I certainly wish someone with one of the current
ones would come on this forum and discuss it from a technical standpoint, or
even an engineer who is working with Audiovox. Smart Adaptors have been on
the market for some time for Sony, Pioneer, Kenwood, and Alpine, and I think Panasonic. Some have said the standard radio in the Prius is a Panasonic, perhaps
I should ask to see the interconnect. An email to Audiovox is in order, maybe they
can point me to a website with the protocal.

Perhaps the Smart Adaptor in question delivers the data to one of the pins
in the connector cable. When the UNIVERSAL SMART ADAPTOR emerges early next year, I will
order one and try it out. and report back. I am in no particular hurry to order a higher priced solution at the moment.

My son just bought a new (2006) Honda Civic EX, a beautiful full featured car with
30/40 mpg (not hybrid), and an excellent sound system with MP3 and an audio input jack.
He has the option to order the full integration XM kit which adds the factory
XM tuner and antenna. We were quoted nearly 500.00 without labor. WOW. OUCH! Of course we would do it ourselves, but we would never pay that kind of
price for the equipment. The
radio has a nice display on this car, (non navigation) and for CD,
shows artist name,
CD title and song title on the display (if the right kind of CD is inserted). I used
DIXIE CHICKS "HOME" to test it. It works just like in my 2005 Prius
showing text display.
But the Civic shows no FM radio station, song, and title text. So it must not be what is called RDS.
Howver, we are still looking for
a better interface solution than the factory XM integrated soluction for
his Civic. He can use a XM Roady II through that audio input for now, like owners
of the 2006 Prius can. When we find out more about these adaptors in question,
we both may buy them.

Rod

 

DanMan,

Evidently you have yet to read the press release I posted the link to.
It may be an FM carrying technology from terrestrial FM stations to the radio.
But from the XM broadcast satellite to the XM tuner, using the RDS capable adaptor, as the press release states, seems possible to me. Sure, the carrier
has the RDS data, but maybe they are talking about stripping that off from
and XM radio signal. I don't know that for sure. The SMART ADAPTOR, is NOT a modulator device but a data connected device which connects
(probably?) to the cd changer port. If it were a modulator device those
radio specific cables viewable with the units would not be necessary.
If it were not RDS capable using the RF signal from the satellite, why
put that in the press release? These adaptors are ONLY for the XM1000D
tuner.
Anyway, I will comment again when I get the one advertized to be
available soon, or when I find out who makes the darn radio in my Prius,
and can find more data.
Seems like too much effort is required to discover the manufacturer of the
standard radio.
Thanks,
Rod

 

I met your husband the evening I talked with the parts guy. He was standing
around a blue 2005 package 1 in the prep bay as we talked. I am very interested in the information you will be getting. I also am interested in seeing your seat covers.
Your husband told me to watch for your posts on this resource.
Rod

 

Thanks for the input. The Press release information has to be taken in conjunction with the current number (6 or so) of the SMART ADAPTORS. The current number of them do NOT use a modulator. My thinking is that the press release is talking about a new UNIVERSAL SMART ADAPTOR, and it would be backward technology
to bring out such a modulated solution. I think they are talking about an adaptor which works much like the current 6 or so, but which has a universal software
solution. Anyway, as I said I could he wrong, and certainly will not be buying
a modulated solution. The XM1000D has two audio outputs, and a DIN plug,
(I am looking at it at this time) or somthing like one, with 8 pins. You don't need
8 pins for a modulator. You might however, need that many for full integration
to the Smart Adaptor, and display on the OEM radio, which is the claim of the
technology in the press release and on some sites selling the 6 current adaptors.
Look at the pics at the links I posted as well as the
press release, and thanks for the comments.
Rod

 

Yes, I saw the aux connector on the block diagram of the 2006 radio. The aux input on the 2006 console enters a 4 pin connector on the radio. The pins are left right audio and left right ground. They use an individual ground for each
audio (left and right) instead of a single ground wire common to both
left and right. Now, to switch it using the mode control, they may have a circuit which senses the
input connected and adds it to the inputs available as you switch through.
On my sons new 2006 Civic EX, the aux input connector does just that. When you first
plug in the aux device, the radio immediately switches to the aux input. But then,
as you leave it connected, you can still switch by mode from cd to am to fm to
aux. If you remove the plug for the aux input, the mode switching (by button select) does not show the aux input when you press it. In other words, it senses if
there is something there. How.....? don't know on the Civic, because I have not seen the schematic, so, it could be done with the input plug which opens or closes a contact when the plug is inserted, or it could change because a of a change in the loading of the circuit. On the Prius block diagram the
wires did not indicate any contact switching of the female plug at the console.
It simply looked like left right audio, left right ground. So, the radio probably senses the input.

Now, figuring this out gives us a way to input a clean signal from an Ipod or an
XM radio like a Roady II or Delphi or Sirius with its own display. The other question in the air, is how to get the XM tuner XM1000D onto the head unit, as
some of the Smart Adaptors from Audiovox do in some head units. Thats the
difficult question. We can understand more about this when we identify the manufacturer of the non JBL system radio. Panasonic???

Rod
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Roxboro, NC