2006 P0A80 7 years 10.5 months-how likely free replace

usnavystgc · Mar 11, 2014

Yeah, unfortunately, people are the biggest reason that idea wouldn't work. In theory, it would be great, in practice, it would be an exercise in frustration.

phoebeisis · Mar 11, 2014

Patrick Wong said: ↑

One module contains six cells, with nominal voltage of 7.2V. There are 28 modules x 6 cells/module = 168 cells.

Copper bus bars connect one module to the next.

Consider that the maximum peak current within the traction battery may approach 100A. A spring-loaded setup will not survive very long with such a high current. This works in your flashlight since the bulb consumes very little power.
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Hmmm-
hadn't thought of that-
yeah spring loaded connection-not much surface area-100amps would cook that in short order
too bad there isn't a practical way to make a spring loaded liquid-mercury?-connection-
but if there was-someone would have done it
guess soldering is it for now
Thanks all
Charlie

usnavystgc said: ↑

No, really not too busy. If you look at the Gen I Prius Discussion (and even some in the Gen II Main Forum), you will find numerous examples of people that have fixed their BP on their own. They usually do it by replacing a module. The main reason I point to the Gen I Forum is because that BP has 38 modules (so a little more complicated). What most do is locate the bad modules, replace them, refresh the other modules and match capacity when reassembling their pack. If I ever do have a problem, that is how I intend to fix it. Some scoff at this procedure because they say its like playing whack a mole (lol) but, you can literally rebuild your pack for as little as $250. This includes 4 hobby type chargers and any modules required to be replaced. It is time consuming however. If you use 4 chargers, you can probably get it done in about 8 days. One charger ='s about a month but, if only one bad cell, the pack is fixed for about $80.

You know, we have such a great community here, I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a bunch of chargers to share with whoever needs them. I wish there was a way to set that up but, its hard to trust a bunch of people to do the right thing. I envision that the last person who uses them would ship them to the next person who needs them.
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USN
Yes this is a great forum.
I'm also a DIY-er
Frankly I LOVE the 1998 suburban because it is so DIY friendly-cheap readily available parts-easy to get at
and it is big enough to evacuate 4 contentious cats, 1,2 leggy greyhounds 2,3 adults
I haven't had to DIY the Prius because it has been so reliable-and the engine bay is sooo tightly packed-it would give me pause-the forum is changing my DIY view of the Prius-should be DIY-A-BLE

Slight aside-CR posted these numbers-BP failures-noticed the 2006 Prius STANDS out with 3% BP replacements
2004=1%
2005=2%
2006=3%
2007=1%
2008=0.5%

Maybe the 2006 is just a statistical blip-but maybe it meant some change in battery pack manufacturer-or actual change in building them-it doesn't look random-peaking at 2006-dropping off so abruptly-
they didn't give actual numbers-how many actual owners,so....

Thanks all
Charlie

phoebeisis · Mar 11, 2014

usnavystgc said: ↑

No, really not too busy. If you look at the Gen I Prius Discussion (and even some in the Gen II Main Forum), you will find numerous examples of people that have fixed their BP on their own. They usually do it by replacing a module. The main reason I point to the Gen I Forum is because that BP has 38 modules (so a little more complicated). What most do is locate the bad modules, replace them, refresh the other modules and match capacity when reassembling their pack. If I ever do have a problem, that is how I intend to fix it. Some scoff at this procedure because they say its like playing whack a mole (lol) but, you can literally rebuild your pack for as little as $250. This includes 4 hobby type chargers and any modules required to be replaced. It is time consuming however. If you use 4 chargers, you can probably get it done in about 8 days. One charger ='s about a month but, if only one bad cell, the pack is fixed for about $80.

You know, we have such a great community here, I've always thought it would be a good idea to have a bunch of chargers to share with whoever needs them. I wish there was a way to set that up but, its hard to trust a bunch of people to do the right thing. I envision that the last person who uses them would ship them to the next person who needs them.[/quote

Model yearCivic Hybrid (%)Toyota Prius (%)

2004 18 1
2005 17 2
2006 14 3
2007 12 1
2008 8 .5
2009 30 0.3
2010 32 0.1
Based on the 2013 Consumer Reports Annual Autos Survey.

Yes the charger idea-great idea-but people being people...might be tricky in practice.

Oh big aside-the above-CR report-Notice the 2006 Prius BP failures-stand out at 3%
Now no actual numbers-how many owners of various years are not given-but 3%- when 2004 and 2007 are 1% ??
makes me wonder if perhaps in 2006 the BP were somehow different-different manufacturing technique-or different supplier?
Could be statistical BLIP- but it is suggestive

OH- remind me to NOT buy a Honda Hybrid-those numbers-MISERABLE!!
Such a shame for such a great car maker??

Yes-USN this is a spectacularly great useful forum
I'm a DIY-ER but would have been reluctant to DIY the Prius-other than oil filter changes-now I will
but it is a typical reliable toyota-other than the 12 volt and the inverter pump-no failures-and the BP of course

Thanks all
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miscrms · Mar 11, 2014

Glad to hear it worked out ok!

phoebeisis · Mar 12, 2014

Thanks
44 days= pure luck.

Anyone think 2006 Prius are actually at higher risk for premature BP failure?
CR numbers 3% bracketed by 2004 1% 2005 2% and 2007 1%- look suggestive-but the little article didn't have actual numbers
So no way to know if the 3% is 1/33 or 10/330 in any case it probably a small sample-maybe I will hunt for better numbers-
This forum-might very well have already covered this-so I'll hunt here 1st.
On the bright side the BP they put in will probably be of recent manufacture-and with whatever is "best manufacturing technique" (I hope)
I wonder what the shelf life is on a BP? 3,4,5,6 years??- Not 8 years I hope.
Thanks
charlie

uart · Mar 13, 2014

phoebeisis said: ↑

Anyone think 2006 Prius are actually at higher risk for premature BP failure?
CR numbers 3% bracketed by 2004 1% 2005 2% and 2007 1%- look suggestive-but the little article didn't have actual numbers

So no way to know if the 3% is 1/33 or 10/330 in any case it probably a small sample-maybe I will hunt for better numbers-
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This issue was recently discussed here: Hybrid Battery Survey-Gen2 Prius 2004-2009 | Page 6 | PriusChat

I analyzed the differences in the numbers between 2005 and 2006 models and found that there was no statistically significant difference (p=0.4).

I even re-ran the numbers allowing for a 20% increase in the expect rates of 2005 failures compared to 2006 (due to being one year older) and it still showed no statistically significant difference between observed and expected. (p=0.2)

phoebeisis · Mar 14, 2014

UART
Thanks.
I looked at the other thread-just toward the end.
CR didn't actually release their raw numbers right?
But they did say their Prius ownership tracked national prius sales-so that allowed you to make your guesstimate.

We got our prius back last night-no charge-son drove it-he says it is "quieter"-I drove it around the block-and oddly enough it does seem "quieter" but after driving just the 98 suburban-everything is "quieter"
Ours did get hard service-85,000 miles of maybe 6 mile average trips in HOT NOLA-black on black car(that color can't help)-
too bad you can't survey by color and location
Thanks-great forum-
Charlie
ps-was the forum "broken hacked" yesterday?-

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