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2008 Prius Loss of Power at freeway speeds

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by newfuturevintage, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. newfuturevintage

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    Hi all-

    Wish I had a better first post to make, but alas, no. I'm in somewhat urgent need of help.

    My wife's a couple states over in UT, and is experiencing a loss of power at freeway speeds (~60mph+). Unfortunately, I'm in CA and can't directly help.

    The issue: Flooring the gas will cause the engine to rev high, but the car still slows down. I asked her what the battery charge state was when this was happening, she did not know.

    The car's been towed to my Mother In Law's mechanic, who I've spoken to on the phone. He can replicate the problem after about 5-10 miles of freeway driving. He also did not know what the battery charge state was when experiencing the issue.

    No codes were stored in the computer. The maintenance required light did come on prior to the issue.

    He said there was sufficient fluid in the transaxle, and it didn't smell burnt.

    This car's got about 134k miles on the clock.

    He recommends a replacement of the transaxle with a junkyard unit from a 60k mile car. This will cost $1500 installed, half parts, half labor.

    I did not get a warm fuzzy feeling from him that he was overly familiar with hybrids. When asked what he recommended, he replied, "I'd replace the transmission, I'm not sure what else it could be". This feels more like throwing parts and money at the problem than knowingly diagnosing and solving it.

    There's also a dealership in the immediate area she's in that we could take the car to for a second opinion.

    It seems there's a bunch of issues that could cause this behavior, from battery pack issues/ overheating to coolant not flowing to low fluids to actual transaxle issues.

    Would love to get any recommendations you might have. Might end up having to fly her home as she's already a couple days beyond planned on her trip.

    Thanks,

    Ron
     
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    Welcome to Prius Chat (y).

    While your first post isn’t what you hoped for, we won’t hold it against you;).

    This sounds like an inverter pump issue. Can you ask the mechanic if he can see turbulence in the inverter reservoir (the opaque tank between the engine and silver inverter)? If the problem happens after 5-10 miles it’s usually due to the inverter getting warm and the pump not working to cool it:(.

    If that is the case, the inverter pump needs to be replaced ;)

    That’d be the first thing I would try (other than find another mechanic as there are codes, they just need Techstream or proper code reader).

    Good luck and keep us posted (y).
     
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    What Ray said.
     
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    Thanks!
    I'll reconnect with him and have him check that. Much appreciated!
     
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    Thanks again. I've got him looking into the inverter pump. I get the sense if that's it, he's competent to change the pump, but yeah, he's in a land of big trucks, not gas sippers.
     
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    The only thing is it can be a bit fiddly as you have to loosen the inverter to get to the pump or remove the headlight :cool:.

    But it’s doable:).

    Good luck and keep us posted (y).
     
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    In the interest of time I would just bite the bullet and take it to the dealer for diagnosis.

    A proper diagnostic assessment is going to be important here.


    The current mechanic may simply not be well versed in hybrids. If it were the only game in town, I could probably help walk the guy through diagnostic over the phone.

    For instance He could visually see if inverter pump is working, in addition to just physically putting his hand on the hoses to confirm that it is/isn't working.

    But reality is, you have other options.

    Get a second opinion and please report back here.
    Don't leave us hanging!
     
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    Yes I agree with Eric you need the codes the car has logged to see why it’s unhapppy.
    Not sure why the mechanic pulled the transaxle out of thin air so he has no clue so get the car away from him.

    What your describing sounds like a bad hybrid battery. With no hybrid battery participation the engine will rev like crazy trying to provide the missing power the battery/mg2 provides. You almost have to floor it to get going.

    You were right on the money asking everyone what does the hybrid battery look like.
     
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    Thanks!

    I fear he may be the only game in town, but will look into that specifically. It's a fairly small rural-ish town, but there may be a dealership within striking distance. If so, I'll have my wife get the car there and get a second opinion. If that's not an option, I would absolutely love to take you up on a phone walk-through. If you could send me a PM and let me know what that would entail, I'd appreciate it. Happy to pay your for your time.

    RE: getting this to a second opinion: is there any danger of damaging the car by driving it (outside of getting creamed on the highway)? IE: should we abuse our AAA towing benefits or just drive?

    Just so frustrating not being directly there to diagnose this myself. I'm not all that well versed in the Prius myself, but I can bulldog a problem like nobody's business :)

    Thanks!

    Ron

    EDIT: Looks like there's a dealership about 5 miles away from this guy, and it looks accessible via surface streets.
     
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    If do the drive at night or in the early morning when it is the coolest part of the day to ensure you get there ;).

    But 5 miles at low speeds you should get there.

    Good luck and keep us posted (y).
     
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    I don't believe the symptom of flooring the gas and the engine revving and slowing down, is associated with a symptom of inverter pump failure.

    Best to get it properly diagnosed and prepare for a big repair bill.

    I personally think it's a hv battery issue
     
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    Hopefully you can make it to the dealership.
    Better to just have you call me at your convenience.
    608-729-4082
     
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    The battery seems more likely and knowing what it's doing is important. Pretty easy to look at the state of charge.
    How is it driving under 60mph around town? Engine loud and reving?

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Definitely prepared for that. I'd actually budgeted for an HV pack repair or replace when we took possession of this from my mother in law (it's the "Free-us", so far we're only out reg and new tires), so a big repair bill isn't daunting, I just want to throw money at the correct location of the problem :)
     
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    Unfortunately, we've not established that, and it's at the garage, so we can't test it at the moment, but I'll include this in my checklist.
    Thanks,
    Ron
     
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    Thanks, Eric!
     
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    Eric, thanks so much for you time on the phone this morning, I really appreciate it!
    Hopefully we can get an accurate diagnosis ASAP.
    I'd really like to get my wife back home :)
     
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    I'm sure it'll get figured out.
    Looking forward to nailing things down.
     
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    thanks!
    By chance, did the UT mechanic reach out to you?

    Best,
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    I have not gotten a call/message from him yet.