2010 Prius Engine Rattling. Should I be Concerned?

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  1. JJC123

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    I have had my prius for about 9 years (it recently reached 90,000 miles) and have never had this problem and was wondering if someone also has experienced this or if I should take it to get checked. I recently took my car on a total 6 hour trip this weekend (no issues). When I got in my car again today, it started to make this revving/rumbling sound that was a bit jerky. You could even feel the car shake a little in time is the jerky rumbling. It eventually settled down, but it happened again when I got home and placed the car in park. (I occasionally happened lightly while we were driving as well). It sounds like it is the engine, but the engine light didn't turn on. Is it possible it has to with the battery charging or is there something wrong with engine?

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    Welcome to Prius Chat (y).

    Some questions:
    • Is this the first time you’ve noticed the behavior?
    • Is the coolant level stable for the engine?
    • Does your Prius consume oil?
    • Has the egr circuit been cleansed?
    Good luck and keep us posted (y).
     
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    It's not the battery. Hopefully, it is not too late to clean the entire EGR circuit. Your head gasket may be at stake, as per @Raytheeagle 's comments.
     
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    Mafs, map, and throttle body being dirty or oil saturated will cause these issues also especially at idle. Seen it many times when oil was overfilled or the pcv is stuck open

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    worry? no. concerned? yes.
     
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    @JJC123 what's your situation, are you mechanically inclined, doing some maintenance yourself? Or strictly dealership serviced? Somewhere in between. Let us know.

    The aforementioned Exhaust Gas Recirculation circuit was introduced in 3rd gen, and had a major revamp with 4th gen, likely to address shortcomings. Specifically: that the dang thing inexorably clogs up with carbon, and as it does engine temperatures climb, head gaskets fail.

    Also mentioned above, the Positive Crankcase Ventilation system tends to dump a lot of oil and gunk into the intake manifold, possibly accelerating the the EGR clogging.

    The EGR also has passageways going through the intake manifold, and they clog as well.
     
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    I just go to the dealership and have them to a check up every 6 months. This is the first time that’s happened.
     
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    It's getting to where the only way third gen ownership is viable is if you're a game DIY'r. Ok, one alternative: a reasonably priced shade-tree mechanic who makes house calls, and is willing to learn. Or, an evangelistic Priuschatter that holds EGR "clinics". On the west coast @Raytheeagle has been coaching people through this, has it down to a 4~5 hours for the EGR. And maybe 2~3 hours for the intake manifold.

    The dealerships and Toyota have effectively turned their backs on the EGR issue. Have a read and check out the links:

    The simplest way to see where you're at, is to check the degree of carbon build up in the EGR pipe, a stainless steel connecting pipe between the EGR valve and intake manifold. Watch @NutzAboutBolts video #16 here:

    Nutz About Bolts Prius Maintenance Videos | PriusChat

    Two or three other videos linked there too, for the full cleaning of the intake manifold, full EGR clean, and Oil Catch Can install.

    Good thread:

    EGR & Intake Manifold Clean Results | PriusChat

    Another:

    Oil Catch Can, Eliminate that knock! | PriusChat

    Some tools worth having:

    E8 Torx socket (mandatory)
    E6 Torx socket (optional, but good to have, to remove the throttle body studs from intake manifold)
    3/8" ratchet wrench, regular and long handle, flex head, you can never have enough (or 1/2 plus reducer)
    1/4" ratchet wrench, or 3/8" to 1/4" reducer
    Ratchet extensions: you can never have enough
    Long needle nose piers, straight and bent tip
    Ratcheting 12mm box wrench (optional, but makes disconnection of the EGR cooler from exhaust easier)
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    Floor jack and safety stands (or ramps): basically some method to raise front, if you need to take underpanel off, which you may need to, both for access and to recover dropped items.
     
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    Thank you all for replying and your help! In the end, I took my car to the dealership today. It was the EGR, which they replaced as well as well as another part. It turns out they my car qualified for an extended warranty, which covered the cost of both the part and work! (Which I didn’t expect since the car is already almost 10 years old.
     
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    with no dash lights on?

    wow, congrats!(y)
     
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    just got home thanks to EV mode. After a 8-9 min drive, picked up my order, waited in park mode 2 minutes or so, then as soon as I started to move, the engine started to rattle and shake. I thought it ll pass after a few seconds but it hasn't. I pulled over and charged the hybrid battery and was able to get home with hazard lights.
    No engine lights on
    The s.plugs changed in summer ( no egr cleaning that time)
    Is it EGR do you think? I also consider misfiring but this never happened so far. Only thing I can say that it sometimes rattles on low speeds for a second or so
    Checked the oil, it's fine and same as before
     
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    Your symptoms sound consistent with engine misfire. There are many things that could cause misfire - ignition coils are near the top of the list, but that's just a guess. Using a scanner to check data or codes in the engine computer would be a first step.

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