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2014 Honda Accord Hybrid - Anticipating 49/45/47

Discussion in 'Honda/Acura Hybrids and EVs' started by cycledrum, Jan 20, 2013.

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    Sweet, thanks!

    Google
     
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    For comparison, Prius Liftback: 72.4 mpg combined.
     
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    Yep. Learned of it long ago. It's a huge time savers for calculations that need to do. I posted some great examples at Windows 7 Calculator | PriusChat.

    Here are some other fun ones and useful ones to try against Google:
    50 mpg in cups per mile
    1 euro per litre in us dollars per gallon
    1.36 uk pounds per litre in dollars per us gallon

    Unfortunately, I recall it had some gaps in terms of units that might be used by folks doing HVAC or energy efficiency in buildings work.
     
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    Honda Bets Buyers Will Pay Mileage Premium for Hybrid Accord - Bloomberg says
    Per Google, currently:
    3.65 million yen is ~$37832 USD.
    3.04 million yen is ~$31509 USD
    610K yen is $6325 USD.

    Hmmm... I wonder what the US price delta between the HyCam and the new HAH will be and how well equipped the HAH will be.
     
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    that's a big diiference, they'll have to offer a lot more to compete with hycam. plus untested technology.
     
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    Lot more went into interior. Twice the center stack. Never seen H skew seat/wheel. But, yes, it's new, untested and word is totally different from T and F full hybrids which are very similar drivetrain tech. See 'THIS is a good Fusion hybrid review' couple minutes in.


    btw, the wheels are sweet. Like 'em better than the EX/Ls.
     
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    H separates touchscreen / display. Cam Hy loaded XLE below is bundled.

    2014_Honda_Accord_Hybrid_03.jpg

    Camry SE didn't have the display within speedo like this Cam Hy XLE. Somebody shove the seat right or wheel left :p I could see a fraction of inch, but 2, ah nevermind.
    camera 383a.JPG
     
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    Kinda sounds like they offer only one trim, like EX-L w/ nav, loaded out prob for about $35k here. Seems Toyota sells mostly base LE Camy Hybrids, most at dealers are LE. Honda better have an LX or they'll be selling a few hun/month year from now.
     
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    Yeah, they probably do need an LX HAH or something otherwise it'll be a repeat of the same failure the 1st gen HAH was.

    I never followed the HAH much but from Honda Accord Hybrid - Road Test - Car Reviews - Car and Driver, it sure sounded pricey and too well-equipped. They sold in tiny numbers before Honda killed it.
     
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    Problem was it was a V6 mild hybrid that barely got more MPGs than regular V6. No one wanted it. All about the MPGs. Would be pretty cool if HAH actually gets low 40s combined.

    Bold statement for new machine ... or is he referring to IMA? :ROFLMAO:

    “We hope to gain buyers who have a stronger environmental awareness,” Tetsuya Nomura, chief engineer of the model, said last month. “Our fuel-efficiency technology is much better than our competitors.”
     
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    Review said that the HAH got better city and highway mileage than the 4-banger non-hybrid Accord.

    But yeah, I think it was way too expensive, not advertised at all and the mpg numbers were too low vs. what the general public thought hybrids should get. It seems that many low mpg hybrids never sold all that well (e.g. GM's 1st gen BAS mild hybrids and two-modes).
     
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    22/31/25 ... ouch! While Prius was inflated to 50 something combined at the time.

    Fuel Economy of the 2006 Honda Accord Hybrid
     
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    The old HAH was the flagship trim of the time. I remember somewhere that it was partly conceived to show that hybrids didn't equate underpowered. i.e. It was a power hybrid that outperformed the V6 Accord while still getting decent fuel economy.

    Unfortunately, it was too soon for a power hybrid to successful as a non-luxury sedan. It worked with the HiHy because people could justify it for towing.
     
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    it's intersting that the new insight was to be the prius killer due to low cost (and low quality), and the new accord is coming in at the high end (and hopefully high quality). i wonder why honda doesn't take a head on run at toyota, do you think there could be collusion?
     
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    Their new two motor hybrid system is supposed to be for midsize and up. It was reported that it is not suitable for compact hybrids. IMA was supposed to be for compacts.
     
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    49 City / 45 Highway / 47 Combined. The combined is the same as Fusion hybrid.

    If HAH (like the plugin model) is able to shut down the gas engine at 62 mph and below, EPA rating will get a boost like the Fusion hybrid.

    Let's see if the realworld MPG would reflect the EPA rating.
     
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    No way a 3,500 + lb Accord going to avg 47. low 40s

    At 3:20, reviewer gives details of Honda 2-motor system, about 2:00 about TRW inventing the concept, etc.... does very detailed reviews.



    some tech info:
    Honda previews trio of hybrid systems for different driving characteristics - Autoblog
     
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