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2018 Atlantic hurricane season

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Apr 5, 2018.

  1. bisco

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    the future c curve is particularly interesting
     
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    Do you mean ex-Florence later getting dragged northeast? It is typical recurving action. This time it happened ~15 degrees of longitude too late. Most inconvenient.
     
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    In the 1980s, my wife and I went to a regional square dancing festival in Myrtle Beach. Just as we pulled into the motel parking lot, the tire went flat. We had full-size spare and after changing it and taking the flat to a tire store, we took showers and ran out of towels and wash cloths. So I call the desk and went to pickup the extras.

    The house cleaning staff was lounging and discussing a recent headlines from the Southern Baptist convention that 68% of all Alabamians were going to H*LL! As I picked up the towels, the desk clerk said, 'You should ask this man as he is from Alabama.'

    So I replied, 'This is a good thing as anything to get away from the Southern Baptists.'

    What I didn't expect was one of the cleaning ladies took umbrage that anyone would prefer H*LL over Southern Baptists.

    Oh well, looks like some of them are getting another baptism.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    So many water rescues already in NC. From areas where folks chose to ignore mandatory evacuation orders.
     
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    story about a family from puerto rico who rode out maria. they didn't hang around this time.
     
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    Elsewhere among planetary-scale fidgit spinners

    - TS Helene joins ranks of recurved Atlantic storms going to Ireland. When all else fails...
    - TS Joyce wanders around aimlessly
    - Bigly Mangkhut aims at Kunming
     
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    Some models forecast Florence to pop out on mid-Atlantic coast. Possibly to take another drink and go around again. More novelty.

    Some media discusses rainfall in range of 1 to 10 trillion gallons. Think of that it terms of energy or cost required to purify seawater for human use. Setup is wrong in time and space, but still...

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    Mangkhut closed Macao casinos, apparently never happened before. Bamboo scaffolding collapse around Hong Kong construction. Some may be surprised by multi-story bamboo scaffolding:

    Typhoon pounds south China after killing dozens in Philippines

    I'm just surprised to see people walking under it.
     
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    i was not only surprised the first time i saw bamboo scaffolding, i was shocked.
    i remember thinking, no wonder the buildings are always falling down
     
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    Modern HK buildings are strong, but a lot of high-rise windows have failed. Construction cranes are also very common. They are going down in several south China cities.

    Sleepy Kunming has bright blue sky today because atmos moisture has been sucked away. It'll be back...
     
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    Proper metal scaffold is Speedrail (TM). Erector set for adults. China has vague equivalents but not nearly enough. Bamboo is abundant. Not sure that knot-tying skills are equally abundant.
     
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    oh it's horrible
     
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    The hog ponds were leaking before the hurricane.
     
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    Florida panhandlers have had to manage hurricane preparations without announcements here. Most did, I suppose.

    Such development shows how rapidly warm-water energy can be converted to spin, spray and surge when other factors are permissive.

    Later, drying out of S. Carolina will be delayed.
     
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    @bisco (now stuck with an adhesive logo) mentioned H. Michael also in the older hurricane thread.

    Early reports are of much structural damage from both wind and surge. As area most affected has not had much >100 mph winds historically, many things including trees have not been culled from the herd.

    One can always see media on-site dramatic reporting. Sometimes just a but too dramatic? I suggest moderately accurate rules for wind speed and tree damage.

    There is no one single wind speed at which leaves detach, but a range from 30 to 50 meters/sec. In other units, about 70 to 110 mph or 60 to 100 knots. If dramatic reporter is mentioning wind speeds high in this range or above, and leaves are still hooked on in view, suspect some exaggeration.

    Wish I could interest folks in a dandy article, Virot et al. 2016. Elegant analysis that all (?) trees (wood) break at about 42 meters/sec, 95 mph, 82 knots. Some with internal (fungal) damage will break in weaker winds. If not well connected to soil, they will tip over, roots and all, in weaker winds.

    Palms are exceptional. First their fronds will twist to downwind side and often survive defoliating winds. Their wood is rather different and stronger. They tend to occur in tropical places where winds tend to get frisky, so we can think about evolutionary pressure. Palms are also subject to delayed mortality which could be addressed later.

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    Anyway, Michael has rowed his boat ashore and this one is going to be messy.
     
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    i tend to live in the past

    florida and others look bad, how dod kunming make out?
     
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    A large typhoon coastal here was suggested to bring winds far inland about a month ago. This is unrealistic, especially considering topography, but whatever.

    In preparation, a work crew did extensive bracing to a palm tree. Which would not have suffered much. Bracing was set about 3 meters below top which removed its 'bend and survive' feature and made it more likely to snap above. Had winds arrived, which of course they did not.

    Different people are amused by different things :D

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    Kunming has not had 'clothes-drying weather' for a long time. Street-flooding rains that do happen are plain old summertime convective cells (with better-than-average aim). Occasional small hail to add interest.
     
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    same here, hasn't been dry since the fourth of july