Featured 2018 Nissan Leaf pricing, power leaked online

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  1. markabele

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    Hopefully you bit back!

    Actually, I doubt electric Cannonball attempts exceed 75 or 80 too often. Going 90+ means more wasted time at chargers. There is definitely a balance.

    What would the moving average if you don't count time stopped at Superchargers?


    Plus, lighten up. Not suggesting that everyone speeds. More of a promotion of an idea that electrics are ready for prime time despite what certain naysayers...say.
     
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    5, 10, or 30 mph over the speed limit, a speeding ticket is a speeding ticket. At some point, we justify our own wrongdoing as being less than others. My 'crime'? it's a very light tint on the driver & passenger front windows, even though it's illegal in CA. When I get chided for that, my retort is, "have you ever driven even 1mph over the speed limit?" Sometimes they get the point (hanging their heads in hypocrisy), & sometimes they don't.

    Like the article's comments mentioned, I'd rather take my chances with a very attentive speeder, then with someone who's texting, eating, smacking their kids, and otherwise being distracted
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    That is why a Cannonball, block-to-block speed of 75.07 mph, a hair over the usual Interstate speed works. It says recharging is in some cases manageable. A higher than speeding ticket block-to-block speed has a negative association that diminishes the charging/range fear.

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    Oh I don't know. Build out enough mobile hydrogen stations and string them out along the route:
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    oh, believe me. From the new thread I just started? I got a feeling the new sheriff in town is going to raise the cannonball bar, significantly ....
    https://priuschat.com/index.php?threads/189088/
    my guess is, even if this thing is only 80% of what it's being bragged to be, the record time will still fall easily. Just sayin' - better keep your eye on the rear view mirror if you're going cross-country in a year or more ...
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    Too bad Tesla can't build cars as fast as they go cross country
     
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    hopefully people can find solace in the fact that the increase in plugins is much much faster than hybrids took off ... But I do recall many hand-wringing folks concerned that hybrids weren't increasing fast enough - over 1½ decades ago. I guess
    history repeats itself.
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    In which states? California is not the norm for the rest of the country. There are people who can't even get a Prius Prime outside of California! EV is not even pushed by most dealers as they don't want to lose their income on parts and service.
     
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    being such a supporter of the hydrogen hoax, it's curiously intriguing that the lack of trillion-dollar hydrogen infrastructure - much less the virtual unavailability of these high maintenance cars - isn't more of a concern .... rather than spending so much time deflecting onto highly successful plugins.

    After all - at least every state already HAS the capability to HAVE plugins. And - in fact there ARE plugins in every state - here & now. Just sayin' .... maybe one might want to refocus their complaining at the right product? Just a thought.
    As a Nissan Leaf owner, I scratch my head at their success, due to so many of their early battery degradation issues. But God bless them - they keep on Keepin' on.
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    In the country and the world. What the modern hybrid started in 1997. Outside of Japan and California you didn't see many until 2006 - 9 years later. The modern plug-in started in 2010 at the end of the year like the hybrid. Now in 2017 there are millions world wide. They are sold across the country. Comparing - the equivallent year for hybrids was 2004. Toyota had sold less than 100 thousand prii in north america and 319 thousand total hybrids world wide. The model S has sold 113 thousand in the US alone and we have a month to go. Tesla is at 149 thousand bevs in the US and 283 thousand world wide. Nissan and gm have both sold over 100 thousand plug-ins in north america. Nissan has sold 281 thousand world wide through July. 2005 was a big increase in hybrid sales. I expect 2018 to be a bigger increase world wide of plug-in sales, and plug-ins are already much bigger than hybrids were. The model 3 will hit high volume production, nissan will have a much better leaf to sell, and hopefully toyota stocks dealers with primes. BMW, renault, byd, vw, and other car companies are poised to grow in plug-ins fast over the next 5 years.

    Yes toyota is not doing well to get the toyota prime to non-CARB states. The toyota dealers don't seem to do a good job trying to even get it, let alone sell it. That is a rub on toyota not the plug-in market. Luckily other car companies are not dragging their feet. I think toyota is now recognizing this, and will get more plug-ins to dealers.
     
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    I'm just happy that plug-ins are showing up, however slowly, and that many automakers are making them now.

    Remember a few years ago when many of them were claiming "nobody wants electric vehicles!" Until Tesla started stealing their sales away.

    Now I love how the European automakers are all claiming they're going to come out with an awesome "Tesla-fighter/killer EV" of their own, one that'll best that fancy-schmancy Model S and put it in its place. BMW even uses Elon Musk, Tesla's CEO, as the boogeyman to scare their employees into taking EV's seriously.

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk is like "Here's Roadster 2.0". Won't be long before we start seeing this one compared to a Bugatti Chiron, and at $200k, you could buy 15 base Roadsters for the cost of one $3 million Chiron.

    Coming back down to the real world, I still find it exciting to see that as more plug-ins show up, automakers will once again start competing with each other in that field as well to maintain their market share. Sure, it's still peanuts compared to truck and SUV sales, but once plug-in versions of those start coming out, along with more public charging stations cropping up, I'd imagine people will feel more comfortable with the idea of owning one.

    Especially when they see friends, relatives, neighbors, coworkers, and random strangers driving them, and hopefully raving about how fun they are to drive, and how cheap they are to run compared to a gas car.
     
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    I'm looking forward to the accountants noticing they've become cheaper than an ICE. It won't be overnight but start with the street performance cars. There is no justifiable reason a plug-in hybrid or EV should take more than 8 seconds to 60 mph.

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    Or for fleet managers looking at the most cost effective transportation vehicles. I'm of course referring to the upcoming plug-in and maybe hydrogen fuel cell semis.

    Can't wait to see the real world data on those things. If the numbers pencil out and trucking companies save tons of money due to reduced fueling costs and less maintenance needed, then this should help speed up EV adoption for fleet vehicles such as city buses, mail vans, and even garbage trucks.
     
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    Continental, Michelin, Goodyear, Firestone, Pirelli Et Al are looking forward to that day as well.
     
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    Earlier today I went on a test drive in the 2018 Leaf. (I currently lease a 201 Leaf and have a 2012 PIP)
    Definitely a nice upgrade all around. Most here should know the specs...higher horsepower and 150 mile range via 40 kwh battery.

    Most interesting is the ProPilot (cruise control with lane keeping, steering etc.) and the e-Pedal one-foot driving. I drove on a freeway and in some rush hour bumper to bumper traffic and it worked well. I also got to try out the AEB since I got cutoff. I got a warning, intentionally ignored it since it wasn't critical and about a second later the brakes were applied automatically.
    The dashboard display is much improved. You get an analog speedometer plus another set of pages you can select from with lots more info. The Nav display has a nice mix of physical buttons and touch screen controls.

    I have a Tesla model 3 on order and need to drive one before I decide in a few months which car to get, or another one...Leaf lease expires in June.

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    I'm waiting for long term data from the Ioniq Electric before passing judgement on air cooled BEV. The Leaf had a passive air cooling system. Park in a home garage on a hot day, and the air flow over the battery can stop.

    Hyundai added a fan. I don't expect it to be as good as as liquid temperature controls, but is it good enough to pass on the higher price of the others?

    It is also luxury, and much of what you say about the Tesla here applies to its ICE competitors, which could be even more expensive.

    Then there is the Supercharger advantage. The Bolt could be a far better car and buy than the Model 3, but Superchargers are a big advantage for anyone wanting a BEV for long trips.
     
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    Let's face facts - the 40 kwh leaf is going to sell great in Japan - but of course Japan is a poor market for bevs. There are more chademo chargers than gas stations now, and this provides the range a typical japanese driver needs.
    Nissan LEAF Sales In Japan Hit New Record In 2017 (Nearly 8,000 In 3 Months)

    In north america it has competition for the bolt, volt, model 3, and i3. These can't compete in japan because of soft barriers to entry. It also may do ok in some european countries, but not most.

    The 60 kwh leaf, especially if it has a liquid conditioned instead of an air cooled battery may do well in north america and europe.
     
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    I'm thinking that the majority of bolt buyers don't really have it as the only choice for long trips. There are planes, other vehicles at home, and rentals. The super charger network is there for those that have a bev as their only car at home and do the occasional long trips. That's what, maybe 10% of the market today. Those folks in gm world can buy the volt, or prime, or now clarity ;-)

    Now I don't understand how the bolt is a far better car or buy than the model 3. What the bolt has over the model 3 mainly is availability. Sure there are a few things better, but not value or features.

    The Automobile 2.0: Chevrolet Bolt EV vs Nissan Leaf vs Tesla Model 3 Long Range - Motor Trend

    I guess the bolt has - roomier back seat, better regen for 1 pedal driving (but that doesn't make it more efficient), turning circle is 35.4' versus model 3's rather larger 38.1', it has a more traditional dash if that is important but it is not as nice or clean of a dash or interior. It is also a hatchback instead of a 4 door sedan, which a minority prefer.

    On the model 3 side - Its less expensive in the base version while having better acceleration, handling, front seat room and comfort. Its big problem is unless you signed up the first day, you can't even get a pimped out loaded version in the next 9 months, and new depositors will only get a partial or no tax credit.
     
  19. Tideland Prius

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    Might wanna post this link as a new thread in the news section :)
     
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    I think you skipped over the "could" in my post;)

    My point is that if someone did put out a BEV that was better than the Tesla competitor in all ways, the Supercharger network is a big enough advantage to trump it.
     
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