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2022 Bolt EUV Initial impressions

Discussion in 'GM Hybrids and EVs' started by jerrymildred, Sep 10, 2022.

  1. El Dobro

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    It's been a month, still enjoying the Bolt?
     
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    Oh yeah! It'll roll over 11,600 miles this evening.

    Someone finally started making vent visors and I ordered them immediately. I also got the custom Chevy supplied sun screen for the windshield. So I'm pretty well set for summer time in the Florida parking lots.

    That brings up another nice feature. It always bugged me that I could not use shore power to pre-cool the Prime. It used the battery for the A/C and then recharged it while the car got baked again. Next to useless. This uses actual wall power. However, if I'm using my older 16A EVSE, it won't keep up with the A/C load on really hot days and will wind up using some juice from the battery. If I use the OEM 32A EVSE, that will give it all the juice it needs to not have to borrow from the battery.

    I appreciate how I can set my charge limit to 75% (or 80 or whatever) and just plug it in. It charges to that point and stops, but if the battery needs heating or cooling to stay in its comfort zone, it uses wall power for that.

    One pedal driving is still the bomb. And no complaints about 266 pounds of torque starting a 0 mph. :D

    But I am planning to return to Yokohama Avid Ascend tires like I had on the Prime as soon as these Michelin Energy Savers wear out. Traction leaves much to be desired.

    Edit to add a PS: How's your '17 Bolt doing? And are you on the chevybolt.org forum?
     
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    11,600 miles in 7 months. That's about 20Kmiles/yr pace. That's about twice the distance we are driving on a single car now. Today is the last day to get Bolt with the full $7500 credit. Starting tomorrow, the tax credit will be halved. At least until GM shift their battery sourcing to NA. I have been looking for a base model Bolt EV LT1 since the beginning of the year, but could not find one. But at least, for now, I don't really need a second car, so I am going to wait and see how thing goes with my work schedule. My workplace has lifted the COVID restrictions completely in accordance with the fed guidance this month. There is a chance I may have to go back to on-site commuting. If that happens, I will look harder to find a suitable commuter car.

    For now, our 2022 Escape PHEV is working very well. In 4 months, we put a little over 3,000 miles. I have to do some math to compare the saving after switching from PP and Pathfinder to Escape PHEV. It is not as efficient as PP, but consolidating two cars into one should have had a positive cash flow. The only thing is that the car is programmed to use more ICE in cold than PP. So I have not been getting fuel savings by the longer EV range. With cold days over, we are finally able to drive in pure EV mode lately. BTW, Escape also has a charge setting that allows me to set a target charge level just like your Bolt. With our current driving needs, 85% is just enough for almost all our daily drives. It gets ~45 miles of EV range from 85% charge. Or a little over 50 miles from a full charge if we need it.

    Of course, in our area driving in EV mode does not save money. The gas price has come down while the electricity has gone up. Right now, EV mode cost slightly more than HV mode on this car, just like it was for the PP most of the time I had it.:(


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    2,900 of that was our trip to MI last November. At home, it's typically 3-4 40-50 mile trips a week plus other occasional driving like short errands or a 50 mile round trip to Tampa Hybrids to help with their generation of standard operating principles.

    I wasn't worried about the tax break. We haven't finished off our solar credits yet. My liability for last year using the standard deduction was only $51 (some odd thing about Social Security income) and the solar credit paid that. So waiting till this year to get the Bolt would have made no difference other than my ability to discover one on the lot and just up and buy it w/o all the rigamarole people are dealing with in ordering cars and waiting nine months.

    Maine is such a beautiful place, but with those electric bills, I'd be out of there. :(

    March is when I retired from Tampa Hybrids, so my miles per month dropped dramatically. It looks like April will be even lower, especially since I'll be in Africa again for the last eight days of the month. The electric company paid me 5.7 cents per kWh for my excess production from last year, so that's how I calculate my cost of driving. I have not DCFCed since our November road trip.
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    I enjoy very much reading about your guy's experience with new cars ( Jerry's Bolt and Salamander_King's Escape) and especially information about your journey with solar power for you home!

    +1 on Maine being a beautiful place.
     
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    Yeah, if the Bolt continues to get a full $7500 credit* and if I decide to buy one this year, then I will be doing a similar thing I did last year.

    Last year, I was planning to purchase Solterra, but it fell apart with a delay in production, higher than a predicted price tag, then recall. And the change in the tax credit law was the final nail in the coffin. No tax credit, and a higher price tag for not-so-great spec BEV. It just did not make economic sense. I canceled my reservation and got the reservation fee of $250 back. But by then, I already had my retirement fund venue converted to Roth to increase the tax liability for the 2022 tax year. I had to buy the 2022 Escape PHEV to get my excess tax withholding for the year. So, if I buy a BEV this year, I will do a similar thing again. Or, alternatively, I can use the money to buy solar panels to get a 30% tax credit. The solar tax credit can be rolled over, so if I go with solar instead of a BEV, then no need to plan for Roth conversion. I can simply roll over the unused portion. But then I hit a snag... see below.

    *EDIT: I just found out Bolt does indeed qualify for the full $7500 credit after tomorrow. That is good news. Now I can extend my search for Bolt EV LT1 for purchase this year with full credit.

    Relating to the electricity cost, I signed up for community solar with no money down or no share of my own. It is just a contract to buy a certain amount of produced supply of electricity at a 15% discount. I thought there is nothing for me to lose, but as turned out their allocation system is a mess. I sometimes get far excess of what I actually use and sometimes no allocation at all. And the cost of solar discount is passed onto the ratepayers as an increased electric rate. I don't want to save 15% on my electric bill and raise the rate for everyone. I am thinking of dropping the contract and putting in my own panels. The problem is that the utility is not giving out the permit to have solar connected to the grid. That means I have to do off-grid battery backup solar. That can get very, very expensive. So expensive that the payback will be like 25-30 years. I am not sure if I want to invest in something that may not pay back within my lifetime...:(

    Have a safe trip. Hope no more COVID restrictions along your way.
     
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    The Bolt's doing just fine, the new battery throws about 25 extra miles on it. The Spark EV (the Bolt's older brother) is getting a workout now that it's getting warmer out.

    I'm a member of chevybolt.org, but I don't go on there much. I'm on facebook more, showing people that they're mostly wrong in their comments and lack of understanding about EVs. It's an uphill battle. :D
     
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    There is more than one Bolt group on FB. The one I'm in sure fits your description. The amount of misinformation and confusion gets overwhelming sometimes. People will ask a question, someone will answer them with a wrong answer, and then someone else "corrects" that wrong answer with another wrong answer. Sheesh!! The chevybolt forum is a lot more pleasant. Much like Priuschat.

    BTW, if it's not too late to edit your post when you see this, you somehow lost that closing "]" on the quote and so the whole post became a quote. :) (One thing I like about chevybolt dot org is that there's apparently no time limit on editing your post.)
     
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    Thanks. No COVID test needed this time. Good thing!! I had sinus surgery March 20 and I'm not quite healed up yet. The day after I get back home on May 9 I go see the doctor for him to remove the last (I hope) of the giant booger scabs that are pressing between my eyes. Not painful, but annoying. I can't imagine how unpleasant it would be to try to stick that swab up there right now!!

    I spent considerable time researching to find the right source for the proof of vaccination that they require. Once I had it, it was simple to add it to my visa online. But getting the visa was a bit of an adventure.

    On all of my previous trips, they gave you a one week visa at the airport when you get there and then you can extend it while you're there. No more!! No one told me that you HAVE to get it online and that they say the average time it takes to get it approved is five business days. I found that out late Thursday afternoon, which gave them six business days. Cutting it kind of close.

    But my friend in Togo told me that it's usually two days. Sure enough. The visa was available yesterday afternoon, exactly two business days after I applied. So all the preliminaries are in place.
     
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    The time has past.
     
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    Fixed!
     
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    I usually drive w my foot glued to the floor of the prius everywhere I go. Has anyone doe that w a Bolt yet to see what happens
     
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    I've heard from people on the forum
    I've heard from a couple people on the Bolt forum who claim to drive it like they stole it. I've floored mine briefly (like zero to fifty) and with 200hp and 266 pounds of torque, you will want to have your wits about you. Top speed is 90 mph due to rpm limits on the motor. But 0-60 is a little under 7 seconds so it gets there much more quickly than any pre-2023 Prius.

    But the biggest thing you'd see is at least a 50% reduction in range, a corresponding increase in charge cycles, and a corresponding reduction in battery longevity.
     
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    That's a wrong answer. Just like on FB;)
    No way floggy an EV will use up the power like that.
    In fact I say it's a negligible increase in power usage when accelerating quickly vs slowly, in an EV.
     
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    Wind resistance increases with the square of velocity. I'm replying to someone who usually drives way way way over the speed limit.
     
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    Oh, yes wind resistance is always what the car is using power to push through.(y)
    Noobs always ask what's the most energy saving speed: As slow as possible, as long as it's above the background energy used in the EV.

    I thought you were talking about quick vs slow accel rates.
    I'm still not clear on the physics: 0-60 in 10 seconds vs 0-60 in 60 seconds. Which uses more power?, especially if it's part of, say, a 10 mile measured run?

    Full throttle squirts to your cruise speed might not be that bad, if even a measurable difference.
    But then the Bolt gets into Hybrid territory: It burn electrons and rubber!:sneaky:
     
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    Would you be comfortable if the Bolt was your only long-range-ish car? I really like my Prius Prime but with the $7500 federal tax credit and $3000 state credit, plus the Level 2 charger installation, I'm actually considering ordering an EUV. It seems like it would be a bit of a step down in terms of comfort and features, but I could always trade it in after a few years once there are more choices in EV or PHEVs.
     
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    I think you'll have to define long-range-ish. The slower fast DC charging rate of the Bolt will mean more time charging the longer the trip gets.
     
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    I guess it just depends on the charging infrastructure on your route. I think I'm asking more about comfort and features, and reliability
     
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    Have been looking for Bolt EV LT1 in stock at local dealers' lots for a while with no luck. I still don't know if I need a second car depending on what happens to my back-to-commuting routine. But one thing is for sure, if I need a daily commuter, the Bolt EV will be perfect as a second commuting-only vehicle. Unfortunately, for our use cases, a BEV, even a long-range Tesla will not satisfy our requirements. So, a BEV is only good as a secondary car for us. For long trips over 200 miles, I will keep our Escape PHEV.
     
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