40,000 are not enough 'stealing' 1,000 from Tesla

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  1. bisco

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    if i lived in germany, i'd be putting a lock on my exterior outlet. but that might get me locked up! :eek:
     
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    The author, Mr Carney .... if he truly wanted to be an author should have gotten his facts straight. For instance, he states that,
    but is was the Fed's doling out $7,500. And it was going to every state, not California. And, California under most conditions would only give out $2,500.
    Then mr. Carney talks about subsidies Tesla got for the Fremont Factory, when in fact, California's overtaxing government ran the original Toyota/GM/NUMI joint venture out of profitability. The facility went dormant for YEARS due to California taxation as well as other onerous california dynamics.
    The NUMI facility was fortunately picked because otherwise it would STILL be dormant, generating NO tax revenue at all.
    Evidently this guy Carney should be working at a carnival, as judged by the lack of factual accuracy - likely has never had a real job, only editorializing about stuff he inaccurately reads about. Also quoting for example;
    Non-union manufacturing works in many states, and if enough employees vote to have Fremont union, then it can be Union. This - from a multi decades member in the Aerospace Workers / Millwrights.
    Yeah it would be best to find a greater source of authority than mr. Carney to bolster viewpoint.
    Often when bloggers quote claptrap like this, it's simply attempting to bolster their preexisting notions.
     
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    You guys are so... precious. :)

    It does not matter what my interpretation is, no more than it matters what Bisco, Trollbait or Iplug thinks.

    What matters is how the German government, in the person of Andreas Scheuer, interprets it. It appears that HE thinks that Tesla has to toe the line like all the rest. And that is what matters.

    Just a side note for those who are confusing private and public... When the dairy installs a gas pump for use by the delivery vans that it owns, that's private. When the dairy installs a gas pump and lets his neighbor use it for a fee or barter, it becomes public. When you install a 220V outlet in your carport and share it with your wife, it's private. Pretty simple for most people to grasp.
     
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    I think I found the part that's confusing. The Green Car Reports article was from 2013, an era when tesla got sales tax relief on over $600 million in equipment purchases, and only built around 10,000 cars. 10 percent of 600 million is $60 million. Divide that by 10000 and you hit $6,000 per car. Of course, if you amortize that across the later years, the per car subsidy is smaller.
     
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    The German minister wants Tesla to open Superchargers. Unless Germany has laws that are more aggressive than the EU directive, he can't force Tesla to open up their network to the public.

    The EU directive is very explicit with the definition of what makes a charger or fuel pump public. Nothing has been put forth showing that a Supercharger is public under that directive.

    Tesla might open their Superchargers up, but I expect they will be compensated for doing so.
     
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    just to add to this story of the NUMMI plant...from Wikipedia:

    Before NUMMI, the site was the former Fremont Assembly that General Motors operated between 1962 and 1982.[3][4][5] Employees at the Fremont plant[6] were "considered the worst workforce in the automobile industry in the United States," according to a later recounting by a leader of the workers own union, the United Auto Workers (UAW).[7][8][9]

    By the early 1980s, the adversarial relationship had deteriorated to the point where employees drank alcohol, smoked marijuana (at the time, an illegal activity), were frequently absent (enough so that the production line couldn't be started), and even committed petty acts of sabotage such as putting "Coke bottles inside the door panels, so they'd rattle and annoy the customer."[7][8]

    Attempts to discipline workers were often met with grievances or even strikes, putting the plant into near continuous chaos. By 1982, GM had had enough and closed Fremont Assembly and laid off its thousands of workers.
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    Ahead of the reopening of the plant, Toyota sent many of the workers to Toyota's Takaoka plant in Japan[19] to learn the Toyota Production System and actually work for a few days on the assembly line.[7][8] Workers who made the transition identified the emphasis on quality and teamwork by Toyota management as what motivated a change in work ethic.[7][8] Among the cultural changes were the same uniform, parking and cafeterias for all levels of employment in order to promote a team concept,[20][21] and a no-layoff policy.
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    By 2009, GM was in serious financial trouble and filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization. In April the company announced that it was scrapping the Pontiac brand which would end production of the Corolla-derived Pontiac Vibe at NUMMI by August 2009.[36] That triggered several months of discussions between the automakers, trying to find products that could be produced at the factory for both companies, with Toyota even offering to build a version of its Prius hybrid for GM at the factory.[37][38]

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    The talks ultimately failed and in June 2009 the GM announced that it would pull out of NUMMI.[46][47][48] On August 27, 2009, Toyota announced that it would also discontinue production at NUMMI by March 2010, marking the first time the company had ever closed a factory.

    CA should thank Tesla for taking this lemon of a car plant and making lemonade out of it.
    It now employs many more than the Toyota/GM NUMMI plant ever did


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    agree with you on what our opinions are worth.

    disagree on public vs private. that's just more opinion

    either way, we'll see how the minister of magic makes out. there are plenty of blowhards in government too.
     
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