4th generation coming 2015!

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by edmcohen, Nov 6, 2012.

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  1. finman

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    What is that, the Ford Energi?
     
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    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

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    Yup. C-Max Energi. Wanna see the 8.8 kWh in Fusion Energies (Sedan)?
     
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    Same config, same battery? But in a sedan?
     
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    Well I read also that Gen 3 was also supposed to have Li-ion and I think they made improvements. Correct me if I'm wrong guys, doesn't the Civic Hybrid have NiMH batteries as well? And it's failing like more than 100% more.

    My belief is that testing of Li-ion in cars (with slight modifications to the battery tech) has been done before 2010. So there's already 4 years of proof. Laptops (which are different li-ions) on average last 5 years before dropping like over 50% of the charge.

    We'll see what happens, there were reasons Toyota didn't want to go with Li-Ions with Gen 3 not just because of the price (I even think they said it wasn't proven).

    Also, I'm sure the other cars with LiIons (Prius Alpha etc) have been overstressed in all conditions. We have 4 solid years just about of the PiP (they did a test with the PiP when the 3rd gen came out due to all the interest in the Gen 2 PiP) I think.

    I think it's good, but feel free to object :p
     
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    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

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    Same spec. The packaging looks different.

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    I am pretty sure if the Prius had the same battery as the volt it would actually go like 25 miles or more.

    I think they rated the Prius more efficient in terms of mpge (mpg for electric)
     
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    On a 4.4 kWh battery in the current PIP, we get about 11-13 miles. With the battery from the Volt @ 16-17 kWh depending on the year, I'd certainly hope for more than 25 miles.
     
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    And you can't take the whole capacity, because some is reserved for the HV mode and for longevity. If I'm not mistaken PiP has around 3.3 kWh and Volt 10.3 kWh usable capacity.
     
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    3.4 of the Prius is usable which yields about 11 miles. 10.4 KWh for the Volt, that's right I looked at it before...If the volt drives 35 miles on EV then actually they are pretty similar in EV efficiency (which I'm sure is the next revolution)

    Now if we see that volt users get 38 miles on a good day and PiP owners get 15 on a good day, it goes into the Prius favor (6.8 KWh for 30 miles for Prii...)

    Who knows. But if indeed the PiP bumped it's battery to double and increased efficiency (coefficient drag, hybrid engine efficiency overall) - Especially without losing space.

    Then...we have a winner in my eyes :p
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    There are a lot of us that average over 15 miles not even on good days. ;)
     
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    Granted, each of us has our individual wants and needs, but the picture several post back (the loss of space in the trunk of a sedan) is too great a price (in my opinion) to pay. Compare that photo to the Prius, with the battery slipped beneath the rear seat. It is so skillfully hidden, in 4 years of ownership, I have never seen it, have no awareness of it, and know of no negative ramifications. Just one more reason why I feel the G3 is going to be a very difficult vehicle to beat. In truth, I would be very content with updated sheet metal, and the same hybrid system. If Toyota can improve the hybrid system and wrap it in updated sheet metal ... that sounds like a winner to me.
     
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    If we get no cool toys and only sheet medial update, I will keep my G3P5adv until G5 is released. I hope you are wrong. G3 is a good car. Toyota needs to keep moving forward if they want to maintain being #1 in hybrid vehicle space. Without a doubt Toyota has a vision on the future with the Full cell vehicle rolling out in 2015. I will not be able to consider this purchase as have no idea where I could get hydrogen fuel for the car.
    A bit of a funny video (feel free to remove if you think over the top)
     
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    A likely rendering of the 2015 Prius. Ignore those rims.

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    That last photo above doesn't jive with the other representations. For instance, the rear tail lights are fully GenIII and with slightly different head lights. The sides of that car last car are more GenIII with the continuous line and not the same as in the supposed "brochure."
     
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    ^I see it also...classic case of which one of these is not like the others. :D
     
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    The more I look at that last "photo," the more I see Photoshop and not a car.
     
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    I don't think that's Gen IV. And the final pic looks like the facelift Japan got for the PiP (and maybe they got it for the regular Prius also?)
    2014 Toyota Prius Plug-In Hybrid Gets Facelift--In Japan

    I think I'd go with Dianne in saying it would be more like an in between NS4 and Gen III Prius which don't get me wrong, the above shows, but the above is much more relatable to the Gen III.

    On a diff note Dianne on a separate thread says she wishes Toyota would concentrate more on EV and get an all EV Prius which would be...interesting but a different ball game with range anxiety. It brings to my attention that we shouldn't expect more than 20 miles EV on the next iteration of PiP? That it's pretty much going to be capped?
     
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    Like Dianne, I too REALLY want Toyota to offer a BEV. I'm not suggesting that they make it instead of a PIP, but I would love to see it added as another member of the Prius family. I would also like to see it sold nationwide. So, please, Toyota... sell me a BEV. Don't make me turn to Nissan or Ford.
     
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    I agree, but I wouldn't be satisfied with another "me, too" product with a range of <100 miles. Tesla could use some real competition. ;)
     
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    Reading several of the most recent post cause me to speculate that there is going to be some real disappointment with the G4 when it finally arrives. When expectations get so elevated, it creates a tough position for Toyota.

    In fact, if you take a quick scan of several PC threads, writers are calling for a G4 that is lighter, quicker, lower, more interior room, better handling, AWD, diesel ICE, "cool" in and out, quieter ride, extended EV range, improved fuel efficiency, hydrogen fuel, and all for less money. Come to think of it .... I would like that as well.
     
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