8 CARB States join forces to support plug-ins

For emission, I hope they take account of upstream emission from producing electricity and gasoline.

 

No New Jersey. Shocking.

 

i hope they also come up with some collective incentives. right now, massachusetts offers nothing.

 

Maybe a good idea, maybe not. It may still be better to get the smog out of LA even with a net electricity emissions greater IMO.

Mike

 

I would love to see NY offering some more incentives - even a nominal credit on the car's purchase, and some credits to spur EV charging station installation in homes and businesses.

 

thanks! where can i find this info? from what i recall,

2) same sales tax on a vehicles

3) excise tax = annual car tax?

5) no political will for increasing gas tax.

 

I think that trying to micro-manage every local issue just leads to confusion and extra analysis costs. It is true that moving emissions out of cities is a gain for smoggy cities. So what if someone buys an EV and only drives it far from any city and for that specific car there might be a net increase in emissions, without a drop in smog? Moving people to EVs is step 1; cleaning up the grid (in general) is step 2. Not taking step 1 because step 2 isn't perfectly complete makes no sense. Step 1 and step 2 are not dependent on each other...they can be worked on at different rates.

Mike

 

i must have been under a rock when they implemented the gas tax increase. it's hard to spot with gas price decreases. we do have a local annual excise tax based on depreciated car value, which goes to cities and towns for road repair i believe.

 

Both steps can be taken at the same time. Well designed plugins like Leaf and PiP running on electricity are as clean or cleaner than 50 MPG Prius on gas.

I think what wjtracy was saying was, you don't have to take a step back (higher emission) for #1, in order to motivate #2.

 

As much as we hate coal power, at least with an EV, you are supporting US not having to fight (and kids die) for oil. There is no benefit for not at least start on the EV movement before cleaning the power source. Otherwise, we will all be driving ICE cars for many years since companies like Toyota would never make one on their own will.

 

Go look beyond this joint statement by some publicity seeking government types and see how much money to implement the scheme they are putting up. Without standards and charging infrastructure EVs are at the mercy of range restrictions and proprietary battery designs. When I can take off in a EV and have little or no worry about where I am going and how much longer it will take me in additional time to fuel then I have interest. But with both those uncertain (even though 90% of the time I could be in range) an EV would be an option only with some non-changeable advance planning of routes, temperatures, etc. Imagine the detour that takes you away from the one charging station on your planed route.

 

From my electric company.
Responsible Coal

 

CA. Electricity is one of the most expensive in this part of the country. I have friends that rack up $500-$800 a month in electricity bills because of electric cooktop and oven. And they live in part of Bay Area where weather is usually between 50-80 degrees most of the year.