An Inconvenient Power Bill

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Feb 28 2007, 08:15 AM) [snapback]397754[/snapback]</div>

watch for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzwitpiqb00

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Earthling @ Feb 28 2007, 08:56 AM) [snapback]397743[/snapback]</div>

neither am i and I do not believe mankind is responsible for any warming on father earth and i even heat my home with wood pellets. all the stuff i do is driven by economics, a desire to do what i think is best, a desire to invest in technology, and a desire not to follow the herd.

 

Global warming deniers really have run out of anything substantive to write about. For discussion of global warming by climatologists and atmospheric physicists see http://realclimate.org

Rightard petroholics want us to believe that ecological responsibility requires poverty. Far from it; we will all be better off when everyone can afford to use annually 100,000 kW-hours of wind and nuclear power rather than 10,000 kW-hours of coal power.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Feb 28 2007, 08:26 AM) [snapback]397768[/snapback]</div>

Doc if GW is really happening and is causing hurricanes like Katrina and every other weather related catastrophe how is man going to stop it. If we have really entered another extinction period then do you really think man can stop it? Isn't that a little presumptuous.
Many of you will gasp but I consider myself a conservationist and somewhat of an environmentalist. I just don't think it is a substitute for religion. I certainly am not going to buy into the current hype, I have watched "truth" now four times in the last two months and evey time I watch it I find more holes and hyperbole. Is man hard on the earth, yes, do we need to do a better job stewarding the earth's resources, of course we do in my book. After watching the OScars Sunday i am beginning to think that this is political and is another ploy to redistribute wealth in the world. All of us can give up our lifestyles but the elite will still stay in the suites at the Four seasons and fly around the world cavorting and preaching about how bad all of us common folk are and how bad the United States is for all of the earths less fortunate people.

After that sham on sunday night how many people at the awards rode their bike home to their 1800 sq ft house that runs on solar power and geothermal? Unless Ed Begley Jr was in attendance I would say zero. The rest jumped into their escalade, hummer or Lexus and skirted off to some lavish party or over to Van Nuys airport and flew somewhere on their private jet.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Feb 28 2007, 10:15 AM) [snapback]397754[/snapback]</div>

Oh gimme a break. You had plenty of substantive responses in this thread and you ignore every one. To reiterate
Gore's power bill shows, however, that the former vice president may be doing just that.
Gore purchased 108 blocks of "green power" for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills.
That's a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.
The green power Gore purchased in those three months is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans or 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on NES' Web site.
They use compact fluorescent light bulbs and are in the midst of a renovation project that includes having solar panels installed on their home to reduce fossil fuel consumption, she said.
Their car? A Lexis hybrid SUV.
"They, of course, also do the carbon emissions offset," she said.
That means figuring out how much carbon is emitted from home power use, and vehicle and plane travel, then paying for projects that will offset that with use of renewable energy, such as solar power.
Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe, she said.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...D=2007702270382

He's got a friggin 10000 square foot home. 2 offices. Security (and don't gimme bollocks about security--Cheney I'm sure will have plenty when he enters ex-VP land).

As for air travel...Sean Hannity's claim of Gore's private jet used ...
recoreds of jet use from 1999-2000...when he was campaigning.
A terrible sin, I'm sure, as NO PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EVER FLY PRIVATE JETS WHEN CAMPAINGING?l:????? Wth. GIMME A BREAK.
16 private jet flights THAT Gore DID purchase carbon offsets for.

The hot air the right wing is generating on this is, I guess, usual.

Why discuss an issue substantively when you can swift-boat and smear?

 

Gore Electric $1200, Gas $1080, = 2280 per month, -$432 (extra green cost) = 1850
So Gore pays $1850 a month to power/heat 10,000 square feet.
Megan and I pay ~165 a month to power heat 1100 square feet., or what $1650 to heat 11,000.
The dude's got a big a house.

 

Al has done a good job of bringing attention to global warming.

He'd do better in my estimation if he led by example.

He's not doing that with his personal over-consumption of energy, no matter how many "credits" he purchases.


Harry

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Feb 28 2007, 11:10 AM) [snapback]397791[/snapback]</div>

The $1200 is their average Nashville Electric Bill from teh power company.
The home's average monthly electric bill last year was just under $1,200, according to bills that The Tennessean acquired from Nashville Electric Service. Gore purchased 108 blocks of "green power" for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills.
That's a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...D=2007702270382

So the $432 would deduct from that to make it $768 without the green credit.

The $1080 gas bill is from Drew Johnson Tennessee Policy Center.

All figures from the link above.

My point is -- that I know you disagree with -- the home probably serves a lot of business functions, unless Gore has separate business offices elsewhere (I'm ignorant on this point, welcome correction). So, yeah, it's big, and serves some business functions, entertains guests, sometimes policymakers, sometimes just friends, I would imagine. Nobody, that I'm aware, has been underwriting his Global Warming work, so that's functioning from his home.

Could his footprint be smaller? Sure?

Is the footprint of any ex-VP, President, these days likely to be comparable to average american? No way. That's just common sense.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LaughingMan @ Feb 28 2007, 04:53 AM) [snapback]397713[/snapback]</div>

I certainly hope so . . . the guy is kind of a Barnie Fief type ~ well meaning, but unable to get the whole shebang in order. But yea, if he's got a bunch of plug-in's ?? ... that may offset the MILLIONS he owns in oil stocks. When he divests himself from the oilies, he'll seem a whole lot more believable/sincere in many folk's books.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Feb 28 2007, 09:15 AM) [snapback]397754[/snapback]</div>

A democrat who's richer than you are, wow that's not dancing to the tune. What were you expecting, someone who doesn't use energy at all? What's your power bill? Are you envious that his is bigger than yours? So his bill is higher than yours, you don't know the details so piss off. Playing gotcha games is a favorite of goofballs like you. You don't have to think only react ignorantly. They don't solve anything, don't prove anything, don't invalidate what he's telling us and don't make me listen to you instead. The only thing they do is make you feel better about yourself at the expense of someone else. How pathetic. But you keep on playing them because they don't require thinking, they're fun and easy for you to do, you won't listen, you won't learn and you don't care. Stop playing gotcha games and try to learn something for a change. Or in the words of Dr Smith from Lost In Space "keep the eyes and the ears open and your little mouth shut"

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Feb 27 2007, 10:43 PM) [snapback]397593[/snapback]</div>

More than 50% of the bill is due to voluntary EXTRA paying for green sources of energy such as wind and solar.

A more responsible report can be found here:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/1...Gore-Energy.mov