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Anne Frank refused sanctuary by the U.S.

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Beryl Octet, Feb 15, 2007.

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    Well, for a change of pace, here is a positive story from that horrible era:

     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Feb 16 2007, 11:28 AM) [snapback]391473[/snapback]</div>
    When I saw that, I thought, "Wow, France is getting a backbone"? So bellicose. So immature. So bush league. But he basically took it back the next day. Its election time in France, perhaps he just got carried away or he was misquoted by the American press.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Feb 15 2007, 08:37 PM) [snapback]391199[/snapback]</div>
    What about the current American policy concerning value of life? We have agreed to accept a mere $7,000 of refugees from Iraq when the number total over $1.5 Million. We attack a country for no valid cause and then don't do a good enough job to protect the citizens of that country. When they're displaced, we take limited responsibility.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Feb 16 2007, 07:55 AM) [snapback]391437[/snapback]</div>
    I guess if lives had been the criteria, they might have considered the millions of Jews, Gypsies, Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other "undersirables" worth bombing the rail lines to the concentration camps. It wasn't lives, per se, they were interested in, but the war effort.

    Item: At one point in the war, the Germans were on the verge of destroying Britian's ability to produce munitions. In a risky, but successful bid to save strategic industries, Churchill ordered the bombing of German cities. The German government had promised the German people that German cities could never be bombed. This gambit so angered the Germans that they diverted their bombing from strategic targets to London. When asked about his policy, Churchill quipped, "London can take it." The loss of life skyrocketed, but the munitions factories were saved. (An indication of how stupid Hitler was.)

    It was not life, but the war effort Churchill was concerned about, just as with the secret that the Brits could read the German codes.

    But Hitler was not the only stupid one. The U.S. ended a successful bombing campaign on German ball-bearing factories, which similarly was on the point of crippling the German war-fighting ability, in favor of carpet-bombing German cities with a view to "demoralizing" the German people. Here again, the loss of innocent life was enormous, but in this case there was very little benefit to the war effort.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hill @ Feb 16 2007, 12:28 PM) [snapback]391522[/snapback]</div>
    Ease up there, Beavis. As I said, the middle east would be better off with no countries having nukes. What part of "I don't blame their neighbors for wanting to be similarly armed" did you take to mean support for "radical muslims" whatever that means? I was just pointing out the causes for the arms race there. Do you think if Canada or Mexico had nukes and the U.S. didn't, we wouldn't be trying to achieve parity? As it is, even without their 75 nukes, Israel is still the big stick militarily in terms of air superiority and other weapons systems. Their nukes just make things worse.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mirza @ Feb 16 2007, 10:18 AM) [snapback]391582[/snapback]</div>
    NONE!
    They never owned the land they were never a kingdom, they were a nomadic peoples, controlled by other governments (Persian, Ottoman, Greek, Roman, British...)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Feb 16 2007, 07:54 PM) [snapback]391780[/snapback]</div>
    I can't believe I missed this, and I honestly can't believe how ignorant you are about this subject. It's seriously sad. :(

    Churchill did order the bombing of German cities. It wasn't after strategic industries were hit. It was after airfields had been hit, hit, and hit again. It was when the Royal Air Force was on the verge of collapse. And if the RAF collapsed, a German invasion of the UK would have been much more likely. as German air superiority was the key prerequisite for the invasion.

    Churchill ordered the bombing after off-course German bombers hit London. Of course, their being off-course was an accident, but it gave Churchill the excuse he needed to attempt (he had no way of know it would be successful) to goad the German commanders into bombing British cities, and therefore save the RAF from collapse, and therefore save the UK from invasion.

    Anytime you want to know more about history, please let me know.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Feb 16 2007, 06:54 PM) [snapback]391780[/snapback]</div>
    If you mean the Reagensburg/Schwinefort raids there was a reason for the diversion 30% loss of the bombers per raid that is not sustainable. Much of the loss was because of bad timing but also the 8th Air force concentrated on day light bombing. The Norton bombsite enabled the 8th to bomb specific targets in France/Germany not 'Carpet' bombing. The Brits mainly did carpet bombing at night because they had a different technique: converging raido signals. This forced them to area bomb in order to hit a target.

    Strategic bombing only forced to Germans to go under ground to produce munitions. The key was when the escort fighters were flying back they were allowed to attack anything on the ground that had military value. This TTP stopped the munitions from getting to the front.
     
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    Since Neocons believe all immigration into the country is a bad thing, I assume they are cheering the fact she wasn't allowed into the country.