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Discussion in 'Volkswagen AG Hybrids and EVs' started by JK919, Feb 11, 2020.

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    I had a chance to test drive a Taycan Turbo (non-S) while my other car was in for service. Holy crap. The acceleration on this thing was unreal. Interior was much better quality than the Model S I sat in, and the exterior is subjectively better as well. I could definitely see myself in one of these, if I made 2-3x more money.

    Check one out if you get the chance. Looks like there's finally a high-end competitor to the Tesla.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    Finally, just 7-8 years after the Model S arrived.
    Now they just need to build a place to charge it

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    yes it's quick off the line - AND fast - top end. That's the distinction between the two 'speed' features, quick & fast. Now - the Porsche 918 (0-60mph 2.28 seconds) was almost ½ second faster (0-60mph) than their EV Taycan Turbo Porsche.
    YET .... Quickest Model S? Even quicker than Porsche's 0-60mph 918 Spyder. Ludicrous P100D does it in 2.22 seconds .... about a car length.
    One of my many trips to the Tesla Service Center got me a Ludacris rental;
    here's my snatshot - entering 'Launch' mode
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    the you get a funny 'warning'
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    Let's face it, all 3 of the above are faster & quicker than anyone needs to go .... & a WHOLE lot more so then my 80s series Porsche cab.
    Us 0-60 in the 2's a Thrill? YES .... but almost uncomfortable, physiologically.
    What was it that rental cars Hertz /Avis commercials battling for top billing used to say? regarding 2nd place? "We try harder"? But if they try harder, what does that mean? Does it mean even though they try harder they still can't beat #1? Or do they need more time? Or did it mean that even though they try harder, they are still not trying hard enough?
    I'm not sure Porsche is trying harder, yet. They don't seem interested in building a massive charging infrastructure, and they don't seem as interested in electrics, except they got burned in dieselgate Via their parent company. And they didn't even start until Tesla was eating their lunch, taking away their high-priced sales.
    I don't know. I wax philosophical in jest.
    Let's face it, you put over 700 foot pounds of torque on a gearbox, whether one speed or two speed, there is going to be some serious wearing Dynamics. I hope they do well nevertheless.
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    Surely you are aware that there are charging stations not branded, "Tesla".
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    I've been using ChargePoint daily at work for almost 8 years. Probably more than 2500 charges (sometimes 2 or more times per day in my PIP). The many thousands of ChargePoint stations are pretty useless on a long trip. Even on a trip just a bit longer than the battery range aren't too useful because you have to have one free when you get there so you can plug in and go do something else for an hour or two or more.
    With the Superchargers you might have to wait a bit but you can charge quickly and be gone. And most places have 8 or 10 chargers or more.
    The EA network is just getting started. Almost all have 2 chargers (CCS) with high prices for fast charging...a bit iffy to rely on them for a multiple charge long trip...400 locations with 1300 chargers compared to ~1700 and ~15,000 for Tesla. Plus Tesla has ~3600 destination chargers that are mostly free and twice as fast as most L2 chargers. And Tesla cars can use all the L2 chargers as well.

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    i doubt "not branded tesla" was the point. Rather, even as of 2 years ago - there were OVER 10,000 superchargers installed worldwide - as well as a similar large amounts of tesla branded L2 EVSE's - which - unlike many "not branded tesla" L2's - the Tesla wall chargers can deliver almost 20kw's .... as opposed to typically 6.6kw's on "not branded tesla" L2's.
    And - if "not branded tesla" sources are all there are - tesla CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter can STILL get teslas 25kW's - 50kW's ... turning on setup.
    So - likely the point was - that although the SAE formatted DC QC is growing - it's no where near the Tesla infradtructure. BUT although no other car manufacture bothers to pay for infrastructure - at least VW / Porsche / Audi is .... albeit part of the dieselgate penalty.
    Even so ... GO VW / Porsche / Audi

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    I’ve only sat in it. It’s great. Love the interior. However, the one downside I found was the exposed hard plastic in the rear where the rear wheel well intrudes into the cabin. That should be covered or padded.

    The P100D Ludicrous can only do 2.22 sec once or twice. Then it starts slowing down to protect the battery. (This is after the battery warms up prior to the initial 0-60 run).
     
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    That's a ludicrous suggestion.
     
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    I do wind-energy research. Some of the gearboxes we've tested at work have a rated torque capacity over 4 million foot pounds, and we test them to failure.

    Of course, they weigh twice as much as a fully-loaded semi....

    According to plugshare, there are many more CCS/SAE charging locations than supercharger stations in the US. Just as an example, there are three supercharger stations in my metro area and 37 CCS/SAE charging locations. The same is true of most places, including Los Angeles.
     
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    sooo .... is this just to argue that giant gearboxes, bigger than many cars have more torque then a car gear-box?
    Is somebody making that argument?
    Okay, you win, good thing this came up so you could point out that you know a lot about this ALSO.

    let's see averaging somewhere between 10 to 40 super Chargers per station .... versus one or 2 CCS per location. hmmm Decisions, decisions.
    But of course someone who's constantly argumentative can play Both Sides Now.

    "that one station is often broken so electric cars can't work for anybody"
    " every time I pass those 2 CCS - someone's already there and I'm too important to sit around waiting - so we are not ready for electric cars.
    or -
    "those 30 super chargers are too far from MEEE so electric cars are not good enough"

    Thankyou for always having lots of arguments about everything & kniwing so much - You win again! Electric cars are definitely not going to work.
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    My point was, you can't tell if there's going to be unacceptable wear on a gearbox just by the amount of torque you apply to it. You also need to know something about the gearbox itself.
     
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    And how do the total number of plugs per location compare? The rates charged? The charging rates? I wonder if the needed metric isn't the number of available charging minutes available (a function of number of plugs and charging speeds).
     
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    And the shock loading, which is very different in a car vs. a wind machine.
     
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    Really? I'm not so sure. I'm guessing you think there isn't any such loading in a wind turbine, but that's really not the case, sadly. Turbulence does cause large peak torque loads unless you actively control it away (which we do).
     
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    Far from it. Betting the percentage-wise variation in automotive throttle off/throttle on/throttle off and upshift/downshift torque as a percentage of peak and rated torque loads are far greater than airfoil torque (and bending) load variation in turbulence as a percentage of peak and rated torque loads.
     
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    Depends on the design. We do see peak-to-rated ratios that exceed 2 if we don't do something about controls, and in older turbines they can be as high as 2.7 (peak torque is 2.7 times higher than torque at rated or maximum power). Modern turbine design has brought that way down to around 1.1-1.2.
     
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    That's not transient shock loading, however.
     
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    Yeah, it can be - 0.1s rise-time.