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  1. eagle33199

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    So, yesterday at MacWorld, Apple unveiled 3 things:
    1. iLife '09
    2. iTunes DRM Free and iPhone 3G downloads
    3. 17'' MacBook Pro

    I'm just wondering what people's impressions on these are...

    For me, the new features in iLife look cool, and i'll love to have them, but i'm not running out to upgrade today. It's certainly not a "must have", but will be nice when i get my next computer.

    The iTunes stuff is cool, and certainly needed, but again, it's not going to really change anything for me.

    And the 17'' MacBook Pro... i'm not completely sold on. Sure, it's the "thinnest and lightest" 17'' laptop around, and has a bunch of cool features... but the battery is what really turns me off. By integrating it, they managed to get more battery life because they could stick battery cells in every available nook and cranny, but at the same time... a removable battery is a must, IMO. Replacing a dead battery, carrying extras when needed... i just can't get past the inability to do that with this laptop.
     
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    $0.30 to upgrade each song you already own to DRM free!! Would cost me a fortune...over $2000 to do that!

    And dang it, I want a video ripper built into itunes. I can't be that hard. But the work arounds I've found online are just a huge PITA.
     
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    True... but you only really have to consider that if you want to move away from iTunes and iPods. In the end, you have to consider the potential cost before and after this. before they offered the 30 cent upgrade to DRM free, you were pretty much stuck. If you wanted to switch brands or devices, you would have to purchase all your music a second time, at 99 cents per song (or whatever). Now you can get by paying 1/3 of that to "upgrade" to DRM free. In the end, it is an improvement - and since any music you buy from iTunes will pretty much be guaranteed to be DRM free from now on, that potential cost to switch won't be increasing.
     
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    I'm very desapointed about the keynote. :mad:
    I'm waiting the new IMAC Quad with 28" screen.
    I boght an EeePC 1000H notebook :D, the 17'' MacBook Pro is too expensive.

    Apple make a mistake with this soo expensive laptop.
     
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    I'll be better able to judge after Monday. I'm attending an inservice at the county office of ed by one of the apple people that used to work for the district. He's our go to guru on all things Apple and gives us the straight stuff on what's hot and what's not.
     
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    The things I'm waiting on Apple for are:

    1. A home media server, which I hoped they'd announce at MacWorld.
    2. A revamped Apple TV with app store, and maybe games.

    A new Mac Mini is also mildly interesting to me, but nothing I'd swoon too much over.

    A concur with everyone. This year's MacWorld was a big letdown.

    On a side note, I think it's a horrible idea to abandon MacWorld. Sure, Apple has gotten bigger, but even Microsoft attended the CES trade show this year.

    MacWorld was one of the biggest ways Apple generated anticipation and excitement over new product launches. I loved to tune into the live blog feeds on Engadget to see what they announced.
     
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    To me this sounds like Apple is anticipating that software-based
    DRM is a doomed, unsustainable approach and is making a last-
    ditch effort to squeeze a little more money out of it before
    free "un-DRM your music" warez are circulating widely. And I'm
    sure they will if they're not already.
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    That whole "itunes store" thing is a shuck. First thing I did
    with iTunes was turn all that "check for this and that and the
    other automatically and phone home to Apple" crap.
    .
    _H*
     
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    I find it amazing that people even use the iTunes store at all when Amazon has a MP3 store that offers roughly the same selection (with exceptions on both sides), higher sound quality, non-protected MP3 files, and with a downloader that works on Mac, Windows, and Linux.

    With all of that, what's the point from buying from iTunes at all?
     
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    Amazon's downloader is clumsy. You buy a file from the website, then a file dialog pops up and you have to click "Open" (heaven forbid you click "Save"), before it downloads to a directory. If using iTunes, you'd then have to manually add that song to your library somehow or another, and I don't think you'd have things like album art automatically.

    The iTunes store is more sophisticated and easy to use, for example, iTunes lets you purchase songs and listen to thirty second clips directly from the list of results returned by your search (Amazon makes you visit the product page of an individual album or song).

    iTunes has historically been about convenience over quality (though that's changing with iTunes plus). It's great to be able to download a song from iTunes, have it automatically show up in your library/sync with your iPod, etc.

    With iPhone's and iPod Touches, you can even download songs directly onto the device and have them sync to your library the next time you hook it up to your computer. Then there are applications like Shazam and Pandora that let you identify and later download those songs from iTunes, etc.

    The Amazon store doesn't really interest me at all for music. Apple understands the process, capabilities and ease-of-use of the music store so much better.
     
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    not having a new mac mini, with a better video card and/or 802.11n was a big let down. i believe it costs like $250 or something right now to get a draft 802.11n card inside the mini from a third party. and the gma950 video isn't fully supported as a 3d card in vmware fusion, so enabling it is causing my windows 7 install to crash, windows is running fine with acceleration enabled in fusion, but doing anything, like playing full screen video causes it to crash

    ilife sounds good. it will have digital video stabilization for imovie, to stabilize your home videos. garage band will come with guitar lessons more or less. amazon is taking pre-orders for ilife 09, but they say it wont ship till the end of feb
     
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    It doesn't seem like you've used Amazon's webstore at all.

    • You can, in fact, preview items without having to go to the item's product page.
    • The downloader does integrate downloads into your iTunes, Amarok, WMP, whathaveyou media player.
    • While Apple may have a slicker interface, Amazon understands how to keep customers happy. That's why they've been DRM-free from day one (kudos to Apple for getting there, jeers to Apple for charging extra to 'unlock' your property). Amazon has also been high quality from day one, and Apple has yet to make that jump.


     
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    Nah, I've used it a few times, but not much (I abandoned it because I found it to feel clunky).

    I did play around a bit more to see where I was wrong, and as you pointed out, in some circumstances you can listen to previews as part of a list of results, just not if you do an "All Amazon" search from the home page (or when clicking through some categories, as it turns out), which was all I tried to do before.

    The automatic integration with iTunes is a plus I didn't know about, too.

    That said, in my poking around, I tried previewing a song and Flash hung trying to load the clip. I tried to download a song and IE 7's file download warning popped up, requiring me click a few times before downloading, then a final dialog popped up asking if I wanted to "Open" "Save" or "Cancel" (you have to read instructions to figure out you're supposed to click "Open").

    I don't find the Amazon store very usable in the least.

    With the iTunes Store, it's all about Grandma-friendly ease of use and convenience.

    I think I mentioned this before, but there's also a lot of application support built up around iTunes. I have Pandora internet radio and Shazam song recognition software on my iPhone, and both programs let me buy a song I heard from the iTunes Store with a single touch.


    Actually, iTunes Plus (the DRM free music) is also higher quality. I checked the Amazon vs. iTunes Plus downloads and the bitrate was 239 vs. 256 kbps respectively.

    Something I will give the Amazon store, however, is that I think the competition they provided was the catalyst for the recent iTunes Store changes.

    Competition is good.
     
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    I'm sorry to say, but this just shows ignorance in the politics of the situation. When Apple released the iTunes store, they were forced into DRM by the record companies. Over time, Apple tried to do what was best for their customers with constant pricing, while the record companies wanted to be able to set their own prices. In short, the record companies started to feel squeezed and controlled by Apple, so they turned to other companies, like Amazon, and gave those new stores a comhpetitive advantage (no DRM). Now that the songs are available without DRM, Apple can finally get on that bandwagon.

    You're also missing the cast that the Amazon store is relatively new, while the iTunes store is almost a decade old! When they started the store, the bitrate they have now was appropriate - quality was as good as you could get in a digital download, and the file size was appropriate for the devices that were available.

    Today, things have changed, and Apple is simply updating their system to reflect those changes - they're going both to DRM free and high quality. I agree that the charge to unlock your DRM'd music isn't terribly nice, but it's also business. They don't simply unlock it, you download the new, higher quality version. So you're paying for a DRM free higher quality version of what you already have. That does cost Apple something - bandwidth isn't cheap.
     
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    eagle, I think you're mostly right, but I'd claim Apple wasn't especially motivated to shake DRM until Amazon came around. I mean, I know Jobs wrote letters on the topic in the past, but at the same time it's nice if you own the world's largest music store while manufacturing the only MP3 players that can play the downloads.
     
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    Weird, but then, I don't use IE7 so things just happen automagically.

    Altho, back when I had my Mac (they good old days of the G4), I always found the iTunes store to be clunky in the extreme. Lots of clicking and going into subcategories, not to mention huge downloads everytime I was required to update the client.

    Of course, I'm sure having a 60MB download (plus whatever crap our overlor---Apple) requires these days is infinitely preferable to just a simple browser + small helper application. :)
     
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    I use the iTunes Store to download free podcasts of my favorite radio programs. It all happens without my doing anything after I subscribe to the show. Once in a while (as needed) I connect my iPod, delete the shows I've listened to, and load the new ones. There's lots of free content on the iTunes Store, and I appreciate Apple for providing this. The same content is available elsewhere (e.g. on the web sites of the individual programs) but Apple provides it in one place, all automatically.

    I buy content from The Teaching Company and audio books from Audible. I have bought a couple of albums from iTunes, but I hardly ever buy music downloads.