Are coal-powered electric cars really better for the environment?

Your side has been wrong since 1974. We are running out of oil! We are running out of food! There's an ice age coming! The seas are going to rise by 20 meters due to global warming! Y2K is going to get us all! Woe I say to you, the end is near. The end is near.

You are just frightened little children afraid to face the future. Instead, you are control freaks that want to FEEL that you somehow are going to alter the outcome with your intentions today. You aren't.

Practically overnight, under sanctions South Africa perfected coal gassification (SASOL process). Nearly overnight we'd find a way to convert methane into a replacement fuel for our vehicles if we had to. Within a decade we could replace the entire grid with nuclear; thereby, eliminating nearly 50% of our fossil fuel consumption.

We are a country that went from concept to flying the first 747 in less than 30 months. We don't need your hysteria.

I'm fed up with the completely bogus and specious claim that somehow our fuel is practically free. It's not. It's price is a reflection of the economies of mass production and the application of technology towards that end. It's wholesale price is commensurate with a gallon of any other industrial liquid except perhaps water. Maybe you'll start a mantra how "free" water is a bad thing too.

No, your side only considers the "real" price to be paid when the government is grifting huge taxes off gasoline sales. THAT you consider paying the "REAL" cost.

 

Does the upcoming Toyota Prius PHEV not run on coal too? Or is there a different forum for plug in Prii?

 

I especially don't remember the wind farms destroying Martha's Vineyard when they exploded. I don't remember them being built, either. I seem to remember a leading environmentalist/politician stopped them from being built due to their horrific and catastrophic environmental impact.

 

Did ADM actually pay for this study?

 

The funny thing is that the HEV is the only vehicle to demonstrably reduce GHG emissions and it is the ONE vehicle that CARB actually hindered growth of. Anything that plugs into the wall could well exceed the GHG emissions of even a conventional vehicle according to this graph:



I can't find where the author defined his usage of error bars, but if the error bar is 1 sigma which is convention, then any of the PHEVs could be worse than the conventional vehicle.

It's just plain dumb that people don't realize using electricity is inefficient and consumes more fuel and may produce even more greenhouse gas emissions (if that's even a meaningful metric).

 

Archer Daniels Midland (We feed the world). They are the biggest criminals behind the push for ethanol.

 

There are about 196 countries on the face of the earth. We have troops deployed in 150 of them. That is, we have deployed troops in 77% of the countries on the planet. We have nearly 80,000 troops in Europe alone.

Stop the lie that we deploy our military because of oil. We are an imperial nation and we deploy our military for any reason we see fit. To add this into the cost of gasoline makes as much sense as adding it to the cost of a Rolex watch or a German cuckoo clock.

It's the cost of our being the super power.

This interactive map is fascinating:

Military Maps | Mother Jones