Are You Upset About Recent UN Speeches?

Havn't seen the Times, Don't know what WaPo is, but enfusco's link is the key story on CNN.COM, not exactly buried IMO.

 

Yes, I'm extremely angry that in the United States of America we are allowing people to exercize the right to free speech and thought. I think these kinds of actions should be deemed deplorable, and the people that perform them be imprisoned and tortured until they conform to what 'should be said'.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 21 2006, 02:55 PM) [snapback]323095[/snapback]</div>

Yabadabadoo of Iran!

Isn't that the cleverest thing you've ever seen? If not, Bore-man will live up to his name and bore you with 15 repetitions of it until you'll finally understand. "Bore-man!" Get it?????

Didn't they offer Logic 101 in med school?

What's the difference between his drival and trolls? I've never seen him vary his opinion on anything, no matter how well he is responded to. What is so frozen in this man's mind that he can't seem to find one good thing from the other side? Isn't it remotely possible that men of good will might have varying methods of how to solve a problem? And that those who don't agree with what he has been told to believe aren't craven idiots?

It used to be that Republicans and Democrats could talk and arrive at consensus. Now, you are either for every minimal point this administration preaches or you are a traitor. People like Bore-man just keep churning the party line like the Communists of old. Keep the hate meter pegged!

It worked: I'm bored to tears of this.

 

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Someone so mindlessly disrespectful and insulting as you are only throws your hypocrisy into sharp relief (and compounds your foolishness) when you rail about "disrespect." You've totally undermined your argument - not that it stood on firm ground to begin with, but you've buried it by showing yourself to be indistinguishable in character from those you so shrilly decry.

Mark Baird
Alameda CA

 

Oh My God!!!!! Look what the liberal press did, it wrote about that evil-doer of evilness Bill Clinton criticizing Hugo Chavez for calling shrub the devil. Shocking, just shocking.

Clinton Speaks Out

Clinton criticizes Chavez for likening Bush to the devil

Deutsche Presse Agentur
Published: Wednesday September 20, 2006

Washington- Bill Clinton came to the defence of his successor on Wednesday, saying Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez should not have referred to US President George W Bush as "the devil." Clinton said Chavez's name calling during a speech before the UN General Assembly does not serve the interest of his country or his presidency.

"Obviously I think he made a mistake," Clinton said in an interview scheduled to air on CNN Wednesday night. "He's not hurting us, he's just hurting himself and his country."

Speaking from the same podium as Bush had a day earlier, Chavez accused Bush of being a "devil" with imperialist ambitions.

"Yesterday, the president of the US, the gentleman who I refer to as 'the devil' came here, talking to the world as if he owns the world," Chavez said.

One-time political adversaries, Bush and Clinton have forged a friendly relationship since then-Governor Bush defeated Clinton's vice president, Al Gore, in the 2000 presidential election.

Bush has tapped Clinton to be his personal representative for raising funds to help Americans afflicted by Hurricane Katrina last year and Southeast Asians devastated by a 2004 tsunami.

 

dbermanmd, You're either reading wayyyy too many Republican newsletters, or you're a PR guy for the Republican party. Either way, can the "What Chavez says is what liberals say is what Democrats say" ideology - they're all different groups of people, and when you try to appeal to the sensibility of those who disagree with you, stuffing them all into one "them" category is sure to lose you that appeal.

If it were Clinton being accused of being the devil, would you expect Cheney to give a speech about those remarks being false and unacceptable?

Frankly, it's no secret we've been trying to overthrow Hugo Chavez ever since Bush came into power. We get a lot of oil from there. Of course Chavez is angry. Wouldn't you be?

I think the USA freaking rocks, but if we're bullying somebody I'll admit to it, and I'm not going to be upset if they express their frustration with us being a bully. We're a bit of an unstoppable force, wouldn't you say?

 

no sense of humour DOBERMAN? Go and bite something to relive some stress.

 

* Anti-Bush: Certainly. I'll bet you're violently anti-Clinton
* Anti-Iraq war: You must at least admit Bush gave speech after speech to get America into war with Iraq. It's his war. The 2 are tied together, so really, you've only listed one thing so far.
* Anti-Israel: Really? Please. There are a LOT of Jewish Democrats, many of whom themselves donate money to Israel and its causes. This is flatly untrue. By the way, there are anti-Israel Republicans - be careful.
* Socialistic: That's a vague term - I assume you mean, the government should tax high, and provide for the needs of its people (this is often confused with Communism - Communism is something else). Under the Bush Administration, government spending on social programs has grown faster every single year, than it did under any one of Clinton's 8 years. So be careful waving the Socialist flag. Again, Google is your friend. Economic conservatives have bemoaned Bush for most of his presidency.
* Chomsky: To be honest, I doubt most Democrats even know who Chomsky is. I'm serious - sure there's the crazy guy in the street talking about him, but ask random people until you find a Democrat and then ask them to tell you who Chomsky is - I bet they'll have no idea.
* Hamstring the war on terror: Let's split this in 2. One: The Iraq War. We covered that, above. Two: The war in Afghanistan. Most Democrats support that war, and want Bin Laden slaughtered. Go ahead and ask.

The next 2 are just about Iraq, and the last one is about control of the media - for that I'd like you to look into where Peggy Noonan, a writer at the Wall Street Journal comes from, and any of the numerous parallels between anything on Fox News network, and Republican newsletters. There are people from both camps throughout the media. Big surprise.


Let's add a third item to how to fight terrorism you might not have thought of: Making friends before they become enemies. It's worthwhile to play nice in the world, because the truth is America is powerful, but we can't beat everybody. Sure our military is tough, but Iraq and Afghanistan are showing us right now, we can only do so much. We can't get Bin Laden still, and in Iraq I've got a buddy there who says we've pretty much given up on protecting Iraqis there - we run missions to take out suspected encampments, and protect our own bases and that's about it. To do more would overextend ourselves - we just don't have the capability.

So it's worthwhile to not piss people off - to play nice with others. It doesn't sound ballsy or fun or exciting, but it is important, or we're just kicking off more terrorist breeding grounds.

 

Ok ok step aside, make way for the republican bashing, liberal Waaaambulance.

Future Higher taxes & Goverment supplied health care have reduced the waabulance fleet to this. :lol: :lol:

 

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Wow! What a lengthy post. It must have taken you a while to type all that. But I guess you're still too busy to back up your initial assertion that Ahmadinejad "verbally abused and disrespected" (your words) the President.

As I said before, I've read the speech. He didn't mention President Bush once. How was his speech verbally abusive & disrespectful?

C'mon. Be a pal. If it's so clear to you, it shouldn't be hard to explain it.

 

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Oh, I agree 100%. But one can dream, right?