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best sports cars will all be plug-ins and hybrids

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by austingreen, Jul 18, 2015.

  1. austingreen

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    Supposedly the new Mitsubishi EVO will be Hybrid too..
     
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    So pay a Hybrid Premium on top of already astronomically over priced cars for what...save a little gas money? :rolleyes: Maybe the concentration should be on the other 99.99% of the vehicles out there.
     
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    Not to save gas at all....

    To gain extra performance via the electrical drive. Or so I've been reading about in the case of the EVO...
     
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    And the case for the Porsche's, and other luxury/performance plug ins.
     
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    These cars are better than their non-hybrid brethren. The plug-in drive-train is higher technology but I don't think the value proposition is lessened, it is probably greater.

    Low end torque for less money.
    smoother starts and low speed acceleration from motors versus big engines
    Less wear on brakes

    The i8 and 918 are carbon fiber on top of being phevs and happen to be priced low compared to similarly performing non hybrid cars of similar availability and acceleration (918 sold out its full run, i8 needs to expand parts from suppliers to meet demand). These sports cars prove the way for other performance cars.

    Over 10% of the market is performance oriented cars. A high percentage of these owners have garages, so PHEv and BEV are set up to take over this end of the market. The toyota hsd has fallen flat here, with vary low sales of Lexus GSh and LSh.and expectations that the tesla model X will greatly outsell the RXh when it is available in quantity.

    Its performance, price, and not being an energy pig. Porsche and bmw have both said that lower oil use is part of their plug-in strategy. People don't want to be shamed with their 9 mpg sports car.
     
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    This would be nice if it gives ideas to those that drive around my neighborhood with whining turbos and fart mufflers that they could be faster while being quieter.
     
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    vdub will not be happy. nor mazda.
     
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    All Hondas around here.
     
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    they have their own issue's with bob klutz at the helm now.
     
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    vdub (volkswagon group) includes audi and porsche. Both of these divisions are firmly in the camp of plug-ins for performance.
     
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    MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS - F1 W05 360° Video
    The above link gives onlookers a spherical view of hybrid racing.
    In Formula 1 - Mecedes / Petronas is beating the competition due to their hybrid. Lotus is one of the few teams trying to catch up, with their own hybrid racer. Sometimes, the stuff on the race track inspires manufacturers to translate stuff to us civilians. Bottom line is - best sports cars AND racers will soon be hybrid.
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    The $64,000 question: is there more to the electric drive technology (incl hybrids) than just high end vehicles?
     
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    yup. hopefully down the road as costs drop.
     
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    must make some of their zoom, zoom, vroom, vroom, customers very unhappy. i suppose they'll find a way to twist it to their benefit though.
     
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    The Model S is doing well, but the Leaf and Volt aren't getting stomped by it in sales.

    Straight hybrids have the burden of their early perceptions. The first successful ones were sold on their fuel efficiency, for the most part. The first power hybrid, the Accord, did not do well, because people heard hybrid, and expected high MPG ratings. Without that they lost interest. Honda and others might have been able to do a better job getting the word out on the increased performance without loss of fuel economy, but as of now power hybrids don't sell well.
     
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    The next generation of Porsche 911 (think 2016 911.2) is reported to be powered by two smaller than current displacement turbo ICE engines with significant gains in efficiency and emissions over the current ICE. These have been seen in final form testing and are said to be announced officially in September.

    The Boxster series is rumored to be powered by a smaller 4 cylinder turbo.

    So any Porsche hybrid sportscar is liable to be several years beyond 2016 as car manufacturers generally like to get several years out of such major changes.
     
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    If you read my OP post, it is talking about a normally aspirated electronic awd phev porsche 911 coming in 2018. Here they can trickle some of the technology from the highly successful 918. This will compete to increase the market along with the bmw i8. BMW is moving the i8 technology into the bmw 330e phev sports sedan which should be available in 2016 or 2017

    Porsche has built bev boxsters, but no word if they are bringing them out of the lab. Porsche is commited to a plug-in boxster but we don't know if its bev or phev. Tesla announced the new roadster for 2019, but this likely won't really make it until 2020.
     
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    Facelifted 2016 Porsche 911 revealed: the 991.2 spotted without camo by CAR Magazine


    370 HP 2.7 and 420HP 3.0 turbos in base and S 2016 911s for emissions and MPG gains. Turbo (600HP) and other high end models (GT3) retain large displacement boxer 6 cylinder engines.

    I know people in the Boxster community who are ordering cars now while they can still get the 6-cylinder normally aspirated engines. Just as there are people who want a manual gearshift despite the car being quicker and more economical with the automatic. A lot of tradition loyalists.

    The completely new 911 is due in 2018 with components shared across the entire line of Porsche/VW group.
     
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    What's a 011??

    Is that a mini Porsche? A la Prius c style??



    :whistle:;)
     
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