CA Emissions rules would cut smog

Actually we are ahead of you. I am so near to Nasa and DOD launches in which they can all be viewed from our back yard, so we're all ready to leave when we can no more see to shoot. By the way, speaking of old folks homes, My Mustang engined dragster will give you a much better OLD MAID'S THRILL than running over the railroad tracks in a Prius!

 

Why blame Asia.
All they're doing is our dirty work ... making OUR junk, on the cheap. They're making it cheap because they don't have smog reg's like we do. Heck, a lot of the ovens/heating in china is cheap-unfiltered coal ... as are much of their factories. By no coincidence, they're now having huge medical/respitory issues that they can hardly deal with. God forbid they ever implement "health" related regulations. What would THAT do to our cheep goods. We'd probably have to go off-shore to Rwanda. What ever it takes ... right?

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Hill while I agree with this sentiment, and have breathed the polluted air of china, there is a dragon in the room. There are easier ways to cut smog, these new rules are really about cutting oil consumption and reducing ghg. GHG are not local, but global, and china comes directly into play. Per capita the us still generates much more ghg, and burns more oil, but these problems require global solutions. That is why its important that the new rules are aligned with government policy.

 

If Californians elect to endure the droppings of their legislators that is their prerogative but when others lose privileges as a result its unacceptable. A good example is the restrictions for years by California placed on small diesel engines. Companies such as Toyota, because California is such a large vehicle market, will not bring in such that can not be sold in that state. An good example is the great small pickup diesel truck sold by Toyota in the UK and most of the rest of the world. They won't import it and others to the US. Another thing is the high unrealistic price of diesel. The cost to produce it is much lower than gasoline. It should as in most of the world be priced lower, not higher, with lower taxes on it. If this happened, all our food, materials and goods prices would be lowers thus improving our economy, living standard and quality jobs. I don't want to hear about the particulates from these people which is just more of their droppings!

 

Subjective,
Are you a product of the Florida public education system ?

 

Re: Diesel cost, I am not exactly sure all the factors, but ethanol is one thing. Keep in mind USA refineries were designed to make max gasoline. Then Congress came along and said we want to give 10% of the gaso market to ethanol. Ethanol needs diesel for the farmers. So this upset the product balance. EU refineries designed for diesel and tax policy there hits gaso hard because they like to favor diesel users over there (for truck lobby? I heard that one time).

 

Diesel was historically a commerical fuel used mainly by farmers, hauliers, van drivers and taxis. It was taxed less to help business. In most Countries this has remained the case.

 

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lol. I agree about CARB faking the particulate report, hey we have evidence of that, and its out in the open. Diesel prices though are in line with gasoline, grumpycabbie is absolutely correct. This makes Europe tax policy favor diesel, which seems like a bad thing.

US ships diesel to Europe. Ethanol mandate, subsidy, and sugar tariff also distort the markets.

 

...yes AG and EU sends us gasoline. Gaso has low value in EU (due in part to high taxes) even though diesel costs less, there is a greater demand for diesel in EU.

Subjective was saying diesel costs less than gaso (in EU), which is true, but if we took EU taxes off gasoline would be dirt cheap in EU and everyone would go out and buy Prius's. Except EU religious preference for diesel might get in the way of any such move.

This is clear as mud, but global demand for diesel is high. Gaso on the other hand forced to compete with ethanol and tax policy. Subjective saying simpler refining process for diesel which is true but its all supply/demand (and mostly crude cost). And even if diesel process is easier to sketch on a napkin, it still requires complex and long lead-time new facilities to make 10 ppm sulfur.

 

Whatever I'm a product of, It was good enough to engineer operational equipment for APOLLO. What are your accomplishments besides ridiculing people and playing with your Prius? I take some comfort, since I recently passed my 74th birthday, in Andy Jackson's words " Its a shallow mind that cant spell a word in more than one way"!