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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Arroyo, Nov 29, 2019.

  1. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Many homes in California use natural gas for heating and hot water. How many have switched to hydrogen for that?

    The city of Lancaster has a digester making renewable natural gas. They will be turning that NG into hydrogen for their project. The carbon will keep cycling under this plan. The city might already have the NG infrastructure in place to use it in homes and businesses.

    There are other emissions with using in vehicles, but it burns far cleaner than gasoline in an engine.
     
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    It actually makes me angry to see Iwatani and Toyota congratulating themselves on bringing these new hydrogen refueling stations to Southern California. It is the California taxpayers who brought these refueling stations to Southern California. I can guarantee that Iwatani and Toyota does not pay for either building them or running them because these stations cost millions to build and lose money, just like the cars.

    Sometimes I think California is an 'enabler'--kind of like someone who helps their friends to do drugs. It makes them feel better even though they are worse off in the long run, and the best thing their friends can do is stop giving them money so they can get off the habit and get their life back in a more productive direction. California taxpayers are actually hurting Toyota as a company by paying out all these pointless subsidies for hydrogen.
     
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    What does this have to do with vehicles?
     
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    Glad we still live in a Democracy and we can still have choices of how to spend our money for transportation and not be restricted to BEV only.
     
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    Well, the proposed hydrogen economy is far more than transportation for one thing. Focus just on cars and it won't succeed.

    The other is that natural gas is a contributer to global warming. The city of Lanscaster has a source of renewable gas that can be used for power or heating while displacing fossil gas use. Instead they are throwing some of that energy away by reforming it for hydrogen; mainly for cars, and they don't even have a hydrogen station.

    Displacing fossil gas now with renewable would do more good than making hydrogen. If the hydrogen economy does start working out, they can also use the renewable gas for hydrogen then.
    Did you have a choice when California raised registration fees for hydrogen?
     
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    Registration fees went up on all vehicles.
     
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    How much did you contribute to these refueling stations?
     
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    I think you are right:

    California Approves $39.1 Million for Hydrogen Cell Stations (governing.com)

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    Not everyone is cheering, though.

    Wayne Winegarden, senior fellow at the Pacific Research Institute, a San Francisco-based organization that advocates free-market solutions to policy issues, said state agencies should not be funding such projects.

    "I have nothing against the technology," Winegarden said. "There are better ways to support innovation, which is what the state should be doing, especially in light of the budget crisis we're already facing, the homelessness crisis, the wildfires. It's the state playing the role of venture capitalist."
     
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    To pay for hydrogen ones.

    Those increases to registrations, and whatever portion of his state taxes is diverted to those stations.
     
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    I remember a Toyota commercial showing that. Did it ever become a YouTube?

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