Calling all lawyers , gen3 lawsuit question

The only thing I believe is that when the salesman’s lips are moving, you have to beware.

But they are also aware of what plagues certain models as the dealership will see plenty of that model through and they’ll pass by the salesman that are perched at the lot entrance .

 

he said, 'if the head gasket hadn't blown yet, they would have to take $1,500. off'. iirc.

could not sell them at auction, the failure was so widely known.

 

Imagine a FORD that needed to be repaired and had a widely known failure.

Back in Northeast PA where my folks live they call the ford pickups a 5 year truck.

After that they’ll be too much trouble.

 

i traded in the minivan for a ranger. when my son got rear ended on the highway and shoved into the car in front of him, i traded it for the current '05 dakota.

 

One thing pertinent to this thread is that salespersons are just lawyers who didn't go to law school. And judges are lawyers who are amused by rewarding the best lie with victory. Salesperson = professional liar. Lawyer = educated professional liar. Judge = educated professional liar who enjoys rewarding those who have the best lie.

 

I just cannot stop thinking about this statement. It is, without a doubt, one of the salesperson's (they are not people, so I cannot call them salespeople) hall of fame statements that every one of their "gender" tries to mimic.

The statement simultaneously makes the customer feel like they are getting a heck of a deal while cementing in their mind that the dealer is being overly fair and charitable. I am not even sure what, "$1500 off," means. Do you? Imagine, "Mr. and Ms. Jones, I am pleased to inform you that, based on the fact that your car has four tires of matching brand, my manager is requiring to offer you $12,000 for your two year old car, which is $1,500 more than the dealership allows for cars with mismatched tires. Additionally, when your car was test-driven, the sales manager noticed that your FM radio was tuned to a Modern Country Music radio station. That is fantastic, because otherwise we would be subtracting an additional $5,000. So you can see, based on your good judgement and maintenance habits, we are offering you at least $6,500 more than is typical." OMG. I want to make THAT deal before he realizes the dent in the rocker panel. Where do I sign???

It's a lot like the letter I got from the dealer I purchased my Prius from, noting to me that they NEED my trade because the market for a used 2016 base model with high miles is huge, while the value of the new car they want me to buy is at a fire-sale price. And, if I don't trade my car in, the dealership may go broke, while they turn away an angry crowd of purchasers clamoring for a 2016 model. And they don't even know (yet), that my car is equipped with a Kerig in the front seat, a solar-powered ice-maker in the passenger area AND an Instant Pot under the hatch. What will they pay now!!!!!!?

 

Laat time toyota did something right with the 4runner v6 failure i think at around 1998 they recalled and replaced those faulty heads. Well that was very heroic and the right thing to do. Nowdays like some mebers think toyota lost its shame. I guess its hard to admit such a thing and replace about 700,000 heads. It also seems like many owners and lots of taxi drivers just dont mind replacing those head gaskets for around $1400 and be back on the road. For 100k miles more with 50mpg. I guess times have changed a bit. I personally think its a legit recall.

 

My gasket went kaput at 70k miles.

 

As a taxi driver I can tell you that whilst it would be an inconvenience to have a head gasket fail it is almost expected because of the way we use the car.
As for the cost, that's a tax write off and you have to look at the bigger picture, $1400 today earns $3000 in the next few weeks.

In UK based and our consumer laws are different, we don't have class actions and law suits like this. I could list many reasons why but the one that rings to mind here is reasonable expectation. Who seriously expects a company to warranty a car to 150,000 miles? It is an unreasonable expectation and so most people would suck it up and either repair, sell, or scrap.

Now as for the chap who had HG failure at 70k I would be speaking to Toyota and asking for a contribution or good will replacement, but only if the car had full dealer service.

But as I have said laws are different UK-US


iPad ?

 

Well here in california toyota average aell price is 20% more than any other same class vehicle. Its value as a used car is much higher than any other .therefore when we buy a toyota we dont mind paying more because we know its like buying 2x ford focus or 3x mitsubishi. We drive much more. I think asking a toyota to drive 250k miles without any major issues is not too much

 

i'm no fan of dealerships, or most of their employees. but if you go in well armed with knowledge, and make a deal on the purchase before mentioning the trade in, you have a reasonable idea of what kind of deal you're getting on both ends.
of course you never know how much money the dealer is making in the end, but all purchases are like that. you can't even buy a pencil and know how much of the price is profit. and why should you?
everyone has a right to earn a living, and charge what the market will bear.

 

Here in the uk the Prius commands the same price premium, but a lot of that is due to running cost on a mpg basis.

I racked up 130,000 miles in 30 months in my gen3 as do a lot of people who I know, so we do drive a considerable amount. But to expect 250,000 with no major issue is asking a hell of a lot, imho too much


2010 Gen 3

 

asking is never too much. receiving is a whole nuther thing. toyota knows you have choices.

 

Going through complaints on the NHTSA site, it looks like the #1 complaint for Gen 3 is oil consumption.

 

So if the worst problem (or complaint) about the Gen3 is oil consumption, and if we all did what we were taught when we first started to drive (check the car out like fluid levels, tires are up, walk around it to inspect, etc.), this should be a problem that is minor.

Instead most just get in the car, only look at the maintenance schedule (hopefully) and abide by the closed hood philosophy. Our 2010 consumes a quart every 5k miles or so, but if that is the worst problem I have at 183 k miles, I’m money ahead .

 

I've had a few cars in the past which, after the first 25,000 miles needed the oil checking at least weekly - and mostly needed some added. Many cars specify that they WILL use oil. This was my last VW (1977 model):

 

Specified consumption rate on the Gen3 in the owners manual is it will use some and excessive consumption defined as a quart every 600 miles.

So if you check frequently enough to catch it before a dash light flickers trying to let you know, it’ll avoid the high consumption mark.

 

why do people report oil consumption to nhtsa?

 

My bet is cause they think they’ll get somewhere.

But it’s a fact of life. The only older car I’ve owned that did not burn a drop of oil was our 1998 4runner .

That’s was up to 263 k miles, so a good run.

 

Go to the NHTSA site and start reading the reports.
2010 TOYOTA PRIUS 4 DR FWD | NHTSA