Charging behavior change

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web i3 and Prime

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    With our 240 mi EV, nominally 200 mi around town, I'm losing interest in snagging a free charge. So I'm getting in the habit of running an errand and mostly charging at home.

    In contrast, the 25 mi Prius Prime and 72 mi BMW i3-REx both led to almost an obsession with snagging free charges when running errands.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I agree, I have charged only 5 times in 5 months away from home, four times at a Supercharger and one time at a destination charger. It is non-stressful to "refuel" at home, at night while you are sleeping.
     
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    So, less range anxiety.
     
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    more like 'no ice anxiety'
     
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    Huh?
    With an EV there are few options when running out of "fuel'.
    The ICE gives a ready solution to handle it.
     
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    that's why there's no ice anxiety like prime
     
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    Law of diminishing returns.

    Somebody a lot smarter than me once said that the real benefit of driving a Prius is that you can just drive it like any other car.
    When BEVs reach that point, then they will be more 'mainstream' and less of a play-pretty for early adopters.

    Sounds like Tesla is getting close....
     
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    that's the down side of phev's. while many think it's best to have ice backup, most owners spend an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to keep it from coming on.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Too bad you can't carry a couple of spare kWhs with you in a bucket....but then it's hard to do that with gas too.

    Motorcycles used to have reserve fuel accessible by twisting a valve near the fuel tank.
    One way to reduce range anxiety would be to have an emergency reserve that would place the vehicle into a 'reduced juice' mode of operation until some spare amperes could be sourced, and indeed this may already be a practice.

    One could easily make a user customization possible to satisfy the whims of both preppers and people who live in urban sprawl.
     
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    You misspelled battery :D
     
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    This statement shows that you are unfamiliar with the BEV concept. There are MORE options to "refuel" than an ICE. I and most BEV drivers don't experience any range anxiety.

    A Tesla (or any BEV) is not just like "any other car" by design. Actually "any other car" is getting closer to a Tesla by design.
     
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    There is no need to carry an additional power source. The Tesla computer will route you to the nearest Supercharger when you need a refill while on the road.

    You are assuming there is range anxiety, there isn't any. But you wouldn't know that until you have lived with a Tesla.

    And Tesla does have a "reduced juice mode", it is called slowing down and the onboard computer will tell you what exact speed to slow down to in real time. But you wouldn't know that until you have lived with a Tesla.

    Tesla already allows user customization through its onboard profile and preferences menu. But you wouldn't know that until you have lived with a Tesla.
     
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    I haven't run out of fuel since the 80's, but when I worked evenings in the 2000's I used to drive at night a LOT, and since I don't live in urban sprawl sometimes gas stations can be a bit more widely spaced.

    I used to literally carry a half gallon of the commercial emergency fuel with me to avoid the wait period (AAA or Fleet Ops) if I were to run out of gas.....so I've always had a form of "range anxiety' or range awareness that I mitigate through (1) KNOWING how many miles I can get out of the car once DTE = 0, and KNOWING what happens after that.

    To say that BEV's have more refueling options once you run out of fuel is false on it's face....sicne you have the exact same options that all vehicles have in this situation, which is to either use onboard spare capacity, get fuel, or have it delivered.

    In my case, I had those three options and a plan to implement them.
    Since I don't know what running out of fuel in a BEV looks like, I can't say from experience what happens, but I CAN report that as of this writing that AAA does offer an emergency recharging service but I'm not sure how dense this safety net is, and my company's fleet ops service does not.
    When companies like Big Bell start using BEVs, as they did with hybrids in 2008, then I will presume that they've reached a stage of cost and real-world utility that hybrids were at once THAT technology had matured.

    To say that most BEV drivers do not experience 'range anxiety' cannot be evaluated objectively, but reading some of the comments of those who use them it seems to be a core issue, which is why this thread exists.....but then....most BEVs don't have spare tires either.
    That's not necessarily a deal killer for me either since I have 2 motorcycles, but I do not confuse motorcycles with vehicles that I RELY on for 24/7 all weather transportation.

    Range anxiety will stop being a 'thing' for EV's when their owners stop being so touchy about it.
    We've seen this before with some of the more militant fanboys who tried to use the heckler's veto to combat "hybrid premium" and "battery anxiety...something that hybrids have somewhat ameliorated for the EVangelists.......for now.... ;)
     
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    Manufacturers using the cars' displays and game like mobile apps both promoted and encouraged 100% EV scores which only enhanced the phenomenon with early adopters (BTDT).

    Like the OP, I moved to an EV with larger range than I needed on a daily basis and also found this altered my thinking and behavior. The thoughts of "getting a charge" have greatly diminished from when I was driving my CMax with its much shorter range. Driving it, I always plugged in when I got home so I could have as much EV range available as possible. Now it's not nearly as much of a concern with the Clarity.

    In fact, this allowed me to finally look into and switch to a "Free Nights" electricity program aimed at EV'ers and others to shift more electrical grid load to off-peak hours. The more electrons I can use at night means a much lower overall rate.
     
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    A different technology requires learning new skills . . . the difference experience makes.

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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    What is considered the most reliable electrical power source on a Navy sub?
    A turbine generator fails...battery with a MG supplies power.
    Steam fails...battery kicks in
    Reactor fails...battery kicks in.
    Propulsion fails...battery takes over.
    Any AC aux motor fails...a battery powered DC backup is used.

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    You said it.....but, no sane person would deploy on a boat without a working diesel and a full bag of fuel.
     
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    I have 325 miles of range. What’s range anxiety? Lol
     
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