Code P0A80 + P3013 All Battery Cells reading good! Any thoughts?

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  1. TMR-JWAP

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    P3013 = Block 3 becomes weak...which means one of the 2 modules that makes block 3 is failing....block 3 is modules #5 and 6 from the negative cable end. So, it makes sense, if your #6 is the 6th module from the negative cable.
     
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    Yes #6 makes sense based on that code... IF I have numbered the cells correctly. I think the Camry battery is built differently, and I do not see where the negative cable is attached. See pic of my Camry battery... I numbered the cells starting with #1, right to left of the pics (far right of the pics start #1, far left ends with #34).

    see Strawbrad... There IS a need to know and understand the cell order and what banks are what! (Sorry, just poking fun! And a call out to PriusCamper for defending that one!) IMG_7167.JPG IMG_7170.JPG
     
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    Yes it is normal for the voltage to bounce back after a discharge. Likewise voltage will drop after charging is finished. Is the module you have have labeled #6 the one that started out at 7.69 volts?
     
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    Congrats, you found it... Now you're in preventative stage... Wanna try to find the module that will go bad next before the dash lights up? Also interested in doing battery re-condtioning to find next bad module? Let us know? Sometimes it's easier to wait till later, sometimes it's easier to find 'em now.
     
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    Strawbrad.. .I think I was a bit dyslexic or going from bad memory when typed 7.69. After I actually documented on the spreadsheet, I did not have one reading that low.

    Priuscamper... Yes, I would like to know more about locating the next potential bad cell and reconditioning. Hopefully it does not require too much fancy equipment.

    For a regular old car battery, I would discharge it and then put a 1-amp charge on it for a few days. But I suspect it's not that easy with the cells.
     
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    If I were considering just replacing bad modules & extending the battery life, I would consider getting a Prolong Reconditioning System & a user module from Hybrid Automotive. @jeff652, the owner, is a very trusted user here and many users such as @Raytheeagle have successfully used his Prolong systems to extend battery life.

    Some users here have shared the cost of the system across multiple cars (separate wiring harnesses) but I see that your Camry & Prius do not use the same system. :(
     
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    The Prolong equipment worked well for me and there are 2 other members here in my geographic area that share the equipment and makes the equipment make even more sense:).

    I’d a module does fail, you’ll then have the equipment to rebuild it too;).

    We’ve rebuilt 3 packs using the equipment, so I’d say it pays for itself (y).
     
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    Plus if you move on to another vehicle that doesn't use the system, you can easily resell it to another owner needing one.
     
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    You guys mention "rebuild" with the Prolong? So there is more to the Prolong system than just balancing and maintaining?
    I will go and read up on it. I do not mind spending the money, if it will help me down the road. Also, I have a 2013 Prius (daughter) with 90k miles. Plus the fact I will always have some sort of Toyota hybrid.
     
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    What I’m saying is if you have a failed pack (a bad module) you can use the Prolong equipment to rebuild the pack ;).

    Just another option when considering a tool is it’s versatility and ability to either make it save you money :).

    We’ve done well with the equipment out here(y).
     
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    Unfortunately the charger & intelligent discharger are different for those 2 cars.
    I am sure @Raytheeagle can explain the benefits of the intelligent discharger instead of the cheaper "light bulb" one.
     
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    Less babysitting ;).

    With the light bulbs you have be monitoring and interacting with the system as it works. With the intelligent Discharger, all you have to do is select the discharge level and then check on it after about 4-5 hours:).

    I went the intelligent route(y).
     
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    As I get older and wiser.. I tend to choose the intelligent route any chance I get ;)
     
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    vcv,

    I think the Camry battery is built differently, and I do not see where the negative cable is attached. See pic of my Camry battery...

    There are two heavy gauge orange cables that connect to the 'end' modules of the battery. One cable will connect to the (-) terminal on an end module and the other cable will connect to the (+) terminal on the other end module. Blocks are numbered starting from where the heavy orange cable connects to the (-) terminal.
     
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    It happens. That’s why you load test. It tests the capacity of the battery.
     
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    Ahhh... Thank you! I get it now. I traced the positive and negative cables to each end. I am correct on the way I numbered them! So it is in-fact bank 3 where the bad cell is located...
     
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    Not exactly. You are asking for help in a Prius forum about a Camry. There is technically no reason for a Prius member to know how Camry modules are numbered. Its not a Prius.
     
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    Some members such as @strawbrad work on other Hybrids too, so tey may be more familiar, though.
     
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    He did say if your checking all the modules there is no reason to know. :whistle:
    That being said it does confirm that 1 of modules was bank 3. You do need to know the order for that.
    I saw 2 modules that could use replacing, only 1 was in bank 3.
     
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    I've just had P0A80 and P3013 pop up on my 2005 prius with 236k on it and I've read your comments. My question is can I drive it while these codes are on? And I don't have the money right now to be putting into this car but once I have it, I have no problem putting it into the car.
     
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