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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by bisco, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. bisco

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    Seems to me that massive fines, community service and public spectacle are the appropriate punishments in these types of ‘mail fraud’ cases
     
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    Have not read any of the news in depth, just titles and tags from various sources. Did any of the kids who got in by this scheme got punished? Did they even know about the cheats? Better yet, did any of them able to actually graduate (or pass at the least) from those prestigious colleges?
     
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    I feel bad for the kids. However, some of these kids should NOT be in college in the first place ( google Olivia Jade ).

    On the other hand, I think we all knew things like this have always happened and probably will continue...although in even more discreet ways.

    As far as punishment goes...maybe a stiff fine...and bring badk the Pillory?

    Pillory - Wikipedia
     
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    hallmark has already cut ties with laughlin, i'm sure others will follow. this will not go unpunished, even without the courts
     
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    there are court dates, but i don't think there has been criminal punishment of anyone yet.
    i believe some have already lost their jobs, at least until a legal outcome
     
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    That pretty much sums it up.
     
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    The Olivia Jades and other 50% aren't even showing up for class. No need to rehash things for empty seats.
     
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    Even when there's good news it's bad.

    Some good news: the investigation got started with a tip from a parent.

    But wait: the parent only made the tip because he was being investigated for an unrelated securities-fraud case, and wanted to dangle some valuable information to get a break.

    Some good news: another parent, back in 2011, heard Singer's pitch and "wasn't going to do it for a dollar".

    But wait: did that parent make any report of it? Umm, nope.

    For the three dozen parents we already know Singer brought on board with the scam, there had to be who-knows-how-many others like this guy who heard the pitch and knew it for what it was.

    Any one parent. Any. One. Honest. Parent. could have made a phone call and blown the scam open eight years ago.
     
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    kind of ironic, william macy played a spoiled billionaire who wanted to see dinosaurs in jurassic park #215.

    they told him no, so he wrote them a check they couldn't refuse.
     
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    hollywood reporter: 'rich kids buying their way into prestigious universities as old as time'
     
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    Did you mean this article?

    It seems to me to be making more of a distinction between the various other ways wealthy folks seek advantages, and flat-out fraud.

    I have to admit I still think there's something useful about that distinction.

    There is something extra pungent about people, in circumstances that already advantage them tremendously, moving on to frank criminality because what they have isn't enough.
     
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    a congressperson is proposing a bill to eliminate the tax deduction for college donations when one has a child potentially applying. i haven't read the details, but of course, there is opposition.
     
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    There's a difference between these people and the kind of people (the 1%) who get their kids in by donating a building or endowing a department (the .001%). Kids of people who have gone to the ivies have a bit of a leg up as legacy admits.
     
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    there's a difference between most all crimes, and the fine line between criminal and legal.

    i'm more concerned the best and brightest don't get top spots, but twas ever thus.
     
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    dr. dre and business partner donate 70m to use in 2013, daughter now attending.

    dr. dre posts 'she got in on her own, and i'm not going to jail'
     
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    Yale has un-admitted one student who got in under false pretenses. No other such examples yet known to me.
     
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    me either.

    npr: 'duke pays feds 112m for submitting bogus data to win federal research grants. it never ends, and never will.

    i would say that if no one goes to jail for that, then no one should go to jail in the admission 'scandal'
     
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    NPR shows 'case file' on Erin Potts-Kant with an interesting redaction. Number of publications is blanked out. "That's weird" thinks me. Researchgate.net page lists 27 of which several are retractions.

    I guess that makes it hard to count.

    ==
    Optimistic me wants to believe that 'it' can end. Think of all the other times when humans agreed to stop doing bad things.

    Such as

    ...

    c'mon, somebody help me out here.
     
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    Magna carta?
    Constitution?
    UDHR?
    Brown v. Board?

    Trouble is there are lots of examples where "humans agreed to stop doing bad things", but in none of those cases did all humans agree to stop doing bad things, and the ones who remember feeling less exposed as dicks back before those around them agreed to stop doing bad things tend to feel nostalgia and want to rewind.
     
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    let's see; would backing out of the paris agreement be one of those times? :rolleyes: