Considering on buying a Prius?

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  1. seeforyourself

    seeforyourself Junior Member

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    Hi guys! I currently drive a hand-me-down 2001 Mercury Grand Marquis which is too large to park and not so great on gas. My budget was $20,000, but the cost of insurance for me (22 year old male) is way too expensive. I originally was going to lease a Prius prime, but my insurance wants me to pay $4,600 per year for full coverage - not happening. I never got into an accident or a ticket which makes no sense why it would be so much. I know I live in New York City, but it shouldn't be this much money!

    Even a used 3rd generation Prius is $3,000 per year. I then looked at a second generation (around $6,000) and it's $1600 per year for liability only ($60 more a year than my Mercury). I then considered to just get a 2nd generation and save up for the next car when my insurance rates go more down.

    What are the main differences between the 2nd and 3rd generation? I know gas is a little better on the 3rd, but what else is different? The speed limit here is 25mph, so i am not going to go over much due to the red light cameras and speed cameras.

    Is the interior quality much different as well?

    Thank you :)
     
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    $1400, final answer.
     
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    Mostly, a third gen will have a newer hv battery which is a plus. 3rd gen motor is beltless I think. 2nd gen has water pump belt. A common belief here is the 2nd gen motor is better than 3rd gen. I have two 2nd gens, both with high miles and original batteries. Both run great with minimal oil consumption.
     
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    second gens are great and the differences are minimal. look for a low mile 2008 or 9, and keep 3 grande aside for a new battery should you need it.
     
  5. seeforyourself

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    Thank you guys! I will deffinietly look for an older one now. Is it okay to buy one with 130k miles? Or is that considered high mileage? I know that people who drive prius's average more than 15k miles per year usually.
     
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    I recently bought a 2006 Prius with 144k on it. A little high but it was a 2006 model so it was expected. Got a good price on it but unfortunately about a month after I bought it, the HV battery died. I purchased a rebuilt one from Electron Automotive here in SoCal for $1k installed.

    Not trying to scare you off from purchasing one. I knew the HV battery would go eventually, it just went sooner rather than later. Good luck in your search!

    LG-H918 ?
     
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    We are starting to find that age has more to do with battery health at this point on the Gen-2's than anything else. 2004-2006 models are starting to drop with battery failures in the 150k to 200k mile range.

    If you plan on keeping the car a while, then putting money into it for hardware outweighs the insurance cost over time. I would buy as new of one as you can with a battery failure. Replace the battery. Then you'll have a high mileage vehicle where any number of other things could fail, but in reality rarely do they on a Prius if you keep up with general maintenance. Oil usage in the Gen-2 can happen, just keep in in check, and if buying used private party it would be good to check the oil level to make sure they aren't running it low without even knowing.

    Stay far away from reconditioned batteries. You do NOT want to be playing whack-a-mole.

    Also, the Prius is a big car. Every time I get in it, I am surprised at just how big it is. This can be a drawback for NYC. Definitely get the bumper buddies... Marquis is 212x78 inches, Gen2 Prius is 175x70 inches. 3ft shorter and 8inches narrower, but it is not a "city car" like a Prius C.

    Can't say I have ever wanted a car when in the city. I've got a couple 30-day unlimited metro cards in my wallet, and use them all the time when over there. So easy. :)
     
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    I'll sell you my 2016 Prius C with only 17k miles on it... :)

    Understand the insurance issue. My parents are now in the bracket to where their insurance is that of someone your age. But if you ever seen my parents drive, then you'd understand.
     
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    I have a bumper protector on my license plate which is a rubber frame that extends out a lot. Never bothered with the rear drop down one since it gets stolen left and right and when i tap a car behind me, its a very light tap which causes no damage. It's the front you need to worry about, since its the other people that will hit you.

    I drove my mothers 2017 Lexus RX350 a could of times and parked it. I thought it was a lot easier to park. But then again, it has all those fancy technology that beeps the shit out of you when you get close to the car in front or behind. A prius C I am afraid to get since the potholes are obviously bad this time of year and I don't want to lose a tire. My friend has a 2017 IS350 which she bottomed out a few times here! Also, how much stiffer is the Prius C if you've driven both? I also don't want a too stiff suspension.

    Unfortunately the insurance is too crazy for a new car! :( And trust me, if you seen the videos that my dashcam picked up from Queens (NYC borough) drivers, your jaw would drop. Nobody compares to Queens Ricers. They will drive in-between lanes and swipe your mirror off and continue racing! They will also scrap the corner of your car when whipping around cars when going 80+MPH. It's too crazy over here!

    Also when I drive anywhere outside of the city, such as Pennsylvania or anywhere outside of NYC, I often get road rage since I'm so used to being very assertive while driving. For example, if you want to switch lanes while at a stop or very slow moving traffic, you need to force your way into their lane by slowly cutting them off so they have to let you go. Or, if you pull out of a parking lot and the traffic is at a stand still, you would put your front in between the cars that are in a lane so they have to let you in. I've got honked at a lot for that which is a normal and encouraged habit here! Everything here is about ASAP. You can't put your signal on and expect for people to let you go lol.
     
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    130k is nothing on these cars, just make sure you have 5 or 10k set aside for repairs. if you don't need it, it will be a nice little nest egg for you down the road.
     
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    We drove the Prius C around Colorado where potholes will eat cars and also in Toronto. Toronto is the most similar to NYC, and the C was a life saver. Able to park in lots of spots that other larger vehicles couldn't. Small enough to squeeze through things, big enough to actually be a car.

    I found the Prius C to be just like the Gen-2 Prius. It basically is, just smaller. It lives in Toronto now.

    Yes drivers not from urban areas annoy the crap out of you when they doddle around and get angry for "cutting too close" and stuff like that. They just don't understand, oh well.

    I'll be in the city at the end of Feb, no driving for me! That's the way I like it there.
     
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    we drive down to manhattan once a year to visit our daughters. i swear, 3 days is like 3 years off my life.
     
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    Do you need drive? We traveled to New York City a few times by Amtrak train. Much less stressful.
     
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    not necessarily, but the one time we took amtrak, we couldn't get two seats together.
     
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    The one time my wife and son drove his Prius to NYC they left the fob with the valet at a parking lot. He ended up running after them wondering how to start the car. :LOL:
     
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    yeah, never do valet.:cool:

    what really rankled me with amtrak was that every row of two seats had one person.

    fortunately, one of our daughters has $15./night parking in her building.

    i once had to put it in one of those elevator parking garages, that was weird.
     
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    Do you find the Prius C bumpier than the Prius gen 2? Like as in feeling more potholes?
     
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    No, I find the Prius C more smooth. But it also has 100k less miles and is 7 years newer.

    My Gen-2 Prius is extremely abused. They all ride on Michelin X-ICE III tires all year round, so the tires are equal. Actually every vehicle I have (except the DeLorean) has X-ICE's
     
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    You should try taking a F-250 crew Cab with a 16 foot trailer into Brooklyn:eek:.

    Let’s just say it was good to see the PA border once we were done(y).
     
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    That’s better than the experience we had out here at a wine event they lost the fob:mad:.

    My wife forgot the spare so they had to take us home:cool:.

    They had another patron 5 days later let them know it was in their car down in San Jose. Which they picked up and returned to us :).

    Now when I see the same parking company manager at the same events he recognizes me and says he’s got us covered:whistle:.
     
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